Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 23:38:38 -0800 From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> To: "ian j hart" <ianjhart@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk> Cc: <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: RE: Sendmail and Identd Message-ID: <00b001c09b10$23d1ade0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> In-Reply-To: <3A912DCB.6F351A77@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk>
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> -----Original Message----- > From: ianjhart@omega.my.domain [mailto:ianjhart@omega.my.domain]On > Behalf Of ian j hart > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 6:30 AM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Sendmail and Identd > > > Sorry about the length, need the context. > Sorry about the snippage, need the readability. ;-) > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > > going to work in the time you have allotted. I seriously doubt > > that the staff is going to do nothing and let the problem remain > > unsolved. If they can think of a better solution then they are > > welcome to implement it. > > See my later comments on hierarchy. > OK, I guess you just do what others in this situation do - you try a variety of things, none of which work, and wait for the fun to begin when the kids arrive. Then a month into it when everyone is screaming for something, anything, then that is when they will listen to reason. The folks at my company call that firedrilling. If you want to work that way then I won't stop you. > > But I have an Identd server which runs on the windows clients. Sorry if > I didn't make that clear. I can run this as a service from the system > policy setup. This will not appear in the task list. A clever user might > figure out how to kill it, but I can cope with a low volume of hackers. > (I built a tool to parse the NT login file. I just compare this with the > time stamp and real host name on the mail.) > Ah, yes, it's the old "identd is going to come riding in to the rescue" It's too bad DejaNews is down or you could read the archives of comp.mail.sendmail and see all the discussion of why this approach is rediculous. ident is not a solution for you. If you are convinced it is then I'm not going to get in your way while you try to make it work. It's easier for me to let you fiddle with this approach for 6 months and get nowhere, like the hordes of other people that have already gone down this dead end. > All the software is OEM - no support. But it is cheap(er) <bg> and > schools are poor in the uk. > Hmmm... Software that's cheap, and has no support?!?!? Where have I heard that before....Hmmm... Wait a minute!!! I know!!! I heard some manager tell me that when they were arguing against using FreeBSD or Linux!!! Oh, I GET IT!!! I FINALLY GET IT!!! Software that's from _MICROSOFT_ and that has no support is GOOD because it's CHEAP, while software from BSD that is cheap is BAD because it has NO SUPPORT!!! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! YOU HAVE OPENED MY EYES!!!! I SEE THE LIGHT NOW!!!! > > Maybe I threw you a curve ball here. We do have 1500 users, but we only > have ~150 workstations. That's why we hot seat. Schools are somewhat > underfunded in the uk. > Your installation is no different than the hundreds of schools and libraries in the US that are like this. I don't know of any elementary or secondary public school here that has a computer for every student. By the time the kid is in college they are bringing their own laptop and it's not an issue, there's even fewer school-supplied machines in that environment. > > Hierarchy: They are Gods, I am the office cat. In fact I am THE > technician. I wear all the hats, from network coordinator to bottle > washer. I suspect your experience of schools is vastly different to that > of the uk. > It's a shame that you have such a low opinion of the value that you contribute to your organization. Have you _actually_sat_down_ with the management staff and explained the problem and that you can't fix it by the "normal" means? Or are you just assuming that the administration is going to automatically shoot down this idea because you came up with it? > > Our history of even IntrAnet access is only three months. We are a > decade behind over here. :( I could go into the history, but I don't > want to rant. > Ah - I'm scheduled next week to go hook up a business that we just sold a dedicated link to that has NEVER had Internet access. You have a wrong view of things if you think that your behind the times - you at least have a dedicated connection, there's a lot of businesses here that still don't have this. Frankly, I feel like I'm wasting my time with this. So far you seem to have done nothing but attempt to find reasons why this suggestion will not work that have nothing to do with the suggestion itself; ie: because it will be shot down, because a hack job on the server is going to magically fix everything, because it's too much work, etc. etc. etc. Fine then, don't take the suggestion. If you can fix it with a magical hack on your mailserver then more power to you. But, I'm not going to try to figure out a different solution for you that you think is going to be more politically correct, when I've already told you a perfectly good answer that will fix your problem and prevent baloney like this from happening in the future. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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