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Date:      Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:14:35 +0300
From:      Peter Pentchev <roam@orbitel.bg>
To:        Khalil.Haddad@ubs.com
Cc:        freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Hiding Versions
Message-ID:  <20010706181435.E700@ringworld.oblivion.bg>
In-Reply-To: <H0000152004e7722.0994431736.ps3p84.par.swissbank.com@MHS>; from Khalil.Haddad@ubs.com on Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 05:02:17PM %2B0200
References:  <H0000152004e7722.0994431736.ps3p84.par.swissbank.com@MHS>

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On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 05:02:17PM +0200, Khalil.Haddad@ubs.com wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> After visiting this web site : www.netcraft.com, I discovered that it 
> is possible to trace version changes of OS, apache or php.
> 
> Example :
> FreeBSD  Apache/1.3.9 (Unix) mod_perl/1.20  4-Dec-2000  195.92.95.5   
> Netcraft   
> unknown  Apache/1.3.9 (Unix) mod_perl/1.20  3-Dec-2000  195.92.95.5   
> Netcraft   
> FreeBSD  Apache/1.3.9 (Unix) mod_perl/1.20  19-Nov-2000  195.92.95.5   
> Planet Online   
> unknown  Apache/1.3.9 (Unix) mod_perl/1.20  18-Nov-2000  195.92.95.5   
> Planet Online   
> FreeBSD  Apache/1.3.9 (Unix) mod_perl/1.20  14-Nov-2000  195.92.95.5   
> Planet Online   
> FreeBSD  Apache/1.3.9 (Unix) mod_perl/1.20  15-Sep-1999  195.188.192.5  
>  Netcraft Ltd   
> FreeBSD  Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) mod_perl/1.20  2-Jul-1999  195.188.192.5   
> Netcraft Ltd   
> FreeBSD  Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) mod_perl/1.18  9-Jun-1999  195.188.192.5   
> Netcraft Ltd   
> FreeBSD  Apache/1.3.4 (Unix) mod_perl/1.18  26-May-1999  195.188.192.5  
>  Netcraft Ltd  
> 
> I wanted to know how this was possible, if FreeBSD stores version 
> history somewhere. What should I do to secure this and how, because 
> knowing that anyone can get the history of version changes on your 
> system doesn't make you fell secure...

They can only track history in the sense of storing information obtained
by somebody performing a query on the given date.  This list just means
that somebody has done those queries on May 26, 1999, June 9, 1999 etc,
and the Netcraft database has stored the results.

If nobody has been interested in *your* server, Netcraft would not
have any information stored about it.  It is the Netcraft database,
not your OS, that keeps history.

> By the way, the output for my server gives me Apache/1.3.19 but i have 
> upgraded to 1.3.20 recently, why hasn't this been taken in 
> consideration? (i used ports to upgrade)

Maybe no one has performed a Netcraft query for your server since
you upgraded.

G'luck,
Peter

-- 
I am the meaning of this sentence.

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