Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 09:02:39 +0800 From: Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> To: Nathan Whitehorn <nwhitehorn@freebsd.org> Cc: Claude Buisson <clbuisson@orange.fr>, freebsd-current <freebsd-current@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer. Message-ID: <CAJ-Vmo=zGcUFQXgpzxFv2m5xT%2Bji4xbBJDAmA937x1rNwPah=w@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E2CBF89.7070104@freebsd.org> References: <20110724162937.33865zm0kn4ztdwk@econet.encontacto.net> <4E2C8FBE.7040003@freebsd.org> <4E2CB4AC.3070403@orange.fr> <CAJ-Vmo=b9X=87WQGhCyR66DbedUJciPzN8OghXxqToE4gdTx3A@mail.gmail.com> <4E2CBF89.7070104@freebsd.org>
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Something tells me that's a disaster waiting to happen. Eg, if something happens, and the installer disk gets corrupted, people may blame freebsd for being unstable, email questions to freebsd-* mailing lists asking why X doesn't work (only for it to work when the image is written out again), etc, etc. If it's going to double as a live image versus an installer than maybe have a boot option that mounts the root filesystem read-write (complete with some fingerprint that says that the image has been booted read-write at least once?) Adrian On 25 July 2011 08:57, Nathan Whitehorn <nwhitehorn@freebsd.org> wrote: > It does not. I had tried to match the behavior of the 8.x memsticks. It's= an > easy change in /usr/src/release/ARCH/make-memstick.sh to change it, howev= er. > -Nathan > > On 07/24/11 19:54, Adrian Chadd wrote: >> >> .. wait, the install-off-USB doesn't default to a read-only boot? >> >> >> >> Adrian >> >> On 25 July 2011 08:11, Claude Buisson<clbuisson@orange.fr> =A0wrote: >>> >>> On 07/24/2011 23:33, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: >>>> >>>> On 07/24/11 16:29, eculp wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have been hearing about a new installer but I obviously have not >>>>> payed enough attention, I am afraid. I started running freebsd at 2.0 >>>>> and never really had a problem with understanding the installation >>>>> program. =A0There is always a first time, I guess. >>>>> >>>>> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/201105/ >>>>> >>>>> When booting I seem to get a screen that makes me remember installer >>>>> screens of the 1980s. =A0(They were not exactly intuitive.) >>>>> >>>>> I somehow got the idea that the new installer was graphic. =A0Maybe >>>>> something like PCBsd that is not bad at all. =A0I use it on all our >>>>> employees computers. =A0Actually, after seeing this, I would love to >>>>> have the old installer back. =A0Is their an option for that? >>>>> >>>>> Does this new ASCII installer have a "how to" with a bit of >>>>> information on the flow of the installation. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Can you please describe what you didn't like about it, and what you >>>> would prefer be changed? "Reminiscent of the 1980s" is not really >>>> helpful, especially given that the new installer in fact looks very mu= ch >>>> like sysinstall, which you seemed to like. >>>> -Nathan >>> >>> Recently I installed a system from the "official" memory stick May >>> snapshot >>> (FreeBSD-9.0-CURRENT-201105-amd64-memstick.img). here are a few remarks= : >>> >>> - the 1st thing I need to do is to configure the keyboard, as I am not = in >>> the >>> US. This is needed for an install, but also for using it as a live >>> system. >>> And >>> the keyboard configuration dialog is only a part of the installation >>> procedure. >>> >>> - the partition tool is too simple/rudimentary, compared to the old >>> sysinstall >>> dialog. I always want to have a total control of the partitions e.g. to >>> have >>> a >>> proper alignement. So one must use the shell escape or the live system, >>> which is >>> a regression. >>> >>> - extracting the tarballs lead to (cryptic) errors: I discovered the ha= rd >>> way >>> that I needed to execute a newfs. >>> >>> - I followed a succession of screens asking me to do the usual >>> configuration >>> steps (hostname, clock, network - IPv4 only ?? -, users) and at the end= I >>> get >>> back a screen asking me if a wanted to do the steps I had done just >>> before... >>> >>> - booting the installed system, I found that the hostname disappeared, >>> the >>> keyboard was not configured, nor the network, and so on >>> >>> - during the whole process the screen was scrambled by the occurence of= a >>> number >>> of LORs displayed on top of the dialogs/messages of the installer. >>> >>> - the file system of the installer/live system seems to be too small, >>> leading to >>> a number of "system full" messages as soon a few files are written to i= t. >>> >>> So the sole value added of the installer was the extraction of the >>> tarballs.. >>> >>> It seems that (on a memory stick which is writable) that every aborted >>> attempt >>> to do a configuration step leaves a "trace" in some files used by the >>> installer, >>> which is able to show it (e.g. the hostname) at the following attempts, >>> but >>> without garantee that it will effectively be used. >>> >>> (On the other hand, the advantage of the memory stick is that the syste= m >>> on >>> it >>> can be configured at will) >>> >>> Referring to a thread I found recently a propos the documentation on th= e >>> install >>> media, I also want to say that a proper installer must be able to do it= s >>> work >>> without any Internet connectivity. There exist systems which are not >>> connected, >>> and networks without any communication with the Internet. >>> >>> Claude Buisson >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" > >
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