Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:00:54 -0800 (PST) From: Danial Thom <danial_thom@yahoo.com> To: Freddie Cash <fcash@ocis.net>, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd router Message-ID: <20060111180054.15625.qmail@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <200601110915.53082.fcash@ocis.net>
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--- Freddie Cash <fcash@ocis.net> wrote: > On January 11, 2006 08:41 am, Danial Thom > wrote: > > I really do know what I'm talking > > about. The freebsd "team" no longer has the > > talent to get this project done. > > Just once, on one of the many lists you post > this stuff to, I'd like to > see some supporting evidence *from you*. A > description of your test lab, > the hardware used, the software used, the > testing methodology, some hard > numbers, something reproducable. Something > more than just "I know what > I'm talking about, you're all wrong." > > Nowhere on any of the Linux, DFly, or FreeBSD > mailing lists that I > frequent have you provided any of this. > > Even googling for your name doesn't provide > anything concrete from you > regarding this issue. Until that happens, its > impossible for anybody to > take you seriously. And these threads will > just devolve into "I'm right" > "No you're not" "Yes I am, you're dumb" "No, > you're dumb" verbal nonsense > (as has happened three times so far in the past > 2 months). > > -- > Freddie Cash > fcash@ocis.net We seem to have the same discussions over and over and no one really seems to have a clue, and the same wrong advice keeps being given. I've outlined simple tests many times, including in THIS thread. You just read selectively like everyone else, because you prefer not to hear that you've been doing everything wrong your whole life: " The proof of the pudding is in the test. Set up a box with 1 route and 2 NICs and pump traffic through it until it starts to drop packets. Then pop another disk on and try with another O/S. Its not rocket science. FreeBSD 4.x wins hands down. " Then you need to do other things, as a control, to see how different features work. Doing fastforwarding, for example, may cause all of the code and memory being used to sit in the cpu cache, which may give very different results from a larger scale test that doesn't. Intels blow AMD away out of the cache, while AMD does better out of it, so when you see a benchmark you have to be careful of what your conclusions are, and what your environment is. Frankly I don't see how any of you guys, who rely on freebsd for your businesses, don't do any testing yourselves. People slapping up AMD64 dual systems without having any idea if its any better than their old box. It mindless. "oh, its 64bit so it much be faster than 32bit". Its just stupid. Today's freebsd "team" is completely different than it was during the 4.x heydays; all the great minds behind it are gone; yet you still follow it blindly as if its just some project that any ole programmer can do. Its really quite fascinating. DT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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