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Date:      Tue, 02 May 2000 13:52:19 -0400 (EDT)
From:      John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org>
To:        "William A. Carrel" <cysgod@carrel.org>
Cc:        insane@lunatic.oneinsane.net, tcole@wcug.wwu.edu, advocacy@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   RE:
Message-ID:  <200005021752.NAA13073@server.baldwin.cx>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0005021027500.72319-100000@darjeeling.carrel.org>

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Actually, the problem seems to be that regardless of the desires
of anyone on #freebsd, #freebsd serves as a representative of
the FreeBSD project because of its name.  The op's and other people
can insist that "no, it isn't", but their opinion doesn't count. :)
The opinion that counts in this is the opinion of the public.

If we are to maintain a professional attitude on the project, then
we should probably rename #freebsd to #freebsdchat and #freebsdhelp
to #freebsd.  Again, I say that for all the people on #freebsd, the
public perception of the project and its name is not something you
control.  Get over it and stop being so arrogant.  Look at #freebsd
on UnderNet.  You can ask questions there and get civil answers or
at least civil redirects.  In fact, by helping answering a question
there, I helped promote advocacy here at my university since I ended
up helping some freshman CS major and I eventually heard back from
the TA for the class that it had made a good impression.  Now really,
grow up guys.  If you want FreeBSD to go nowhere and be your private
playtoy, fine, but I'm not satisfied with that.  I think this project
has great potential in the marketplace, but it needs to act
professionally in all matters, and whether you like it or not, that
includes #freebsd.

To summarize: to the #freebsd people: Your opinion doesn't matter!

</rant>

John aka BigKnife on #freebsd, #freebsdhelp, and occasionally on
#freebsd on Undernet.

P.S. Sometimes a newbie will ask a question, and will be kicked
before I can type up a simple answer.  Very annoying.

</rant truly off this time :)>

-- 

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