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Date:      Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:19:56 -0700 (PDT)
From:      John Von Essen <essenz@essenz.com>
To:        Vulpes Velox <kitbsdlist2@HotPOP.com>
Cc:        'Tom Rhodes' <trhodes@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD Revamped Look 'n' feel: Feedback appreciated!
Message-ID:  <20030915100643.F5945-100000@beck.quonix.net>
In-Reply-To: <20030915115853.4836bd86.kitbsdlist2@HotPOP.com>

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My thoughts....

I agree that the current site has a very good layout and design,
especially the online docs.

However, I feel that a few little changes could go a long way. The FreeBSD
Logo could definitely use an upgrade/expansion/standardization. I am sure
there is a graphics firm out there that would do this work (at a high
caliber) for free - if they get a mention off the main page. And by
graphics firm I dont mean some guy with Photoshop.

Other little upgrades could be changes in Font/color. Also, the wording in
a few places could be re-done. For example, if you go to
fbsd.org/projects, it says "FreeBSD Development Projects". That makes it
sound like everything found on this page is a "FreeBSD Organization"
controlled project. But its not.... Many of the links go off to
third-party sites, those sites sometimes appear very "homebrew-ish".


-john


On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Vulpes Velox wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:17:50 +0200
> "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" <listsub@401.cx> wrote:
>
> > Michael W. Oliver wrote:
> > > +--- On Sunday, September 14, 2003 21:15 ---
> > > | Nigel Weeks proclaimed:
> >
> > *snipping some text*
> >
> > > | If only a site existed that (I hate to say it, it seems so shallow),
> > > | looked more like redhat.com, and less like a quick hack-together.
> > > |
> > > | I know the FreeBSD site is great! It's quick, it's links are set out
> > > | nicely, but it isn't attractive to the big-end of town.
> > > | This is a very big failing. It needs to be addressed.
> > >
> > > I think that the maintainers of the freebsd.org site would be making a
> > > mistake in changing the layout of their site.  It is highly functional and
> > > organized, which may not mean much to management droids, but means a great
> > > deal to those of us who actually use the OS on a daily basis.
> >
> > Being highly functional and organized does not mean it cant look
> > good. I agree that the freebsd.org website is a great resource for
> > those that are already using BSD, but unfortunally I dont think it
> > helps attracting new users. Its probably the other way around, the
> > site may very well scare some potential BSD users away to more
> > proffesional looking sites, ie Red Hat's.
>
> This is getting bloody annoying... wtf do you mean by proffesional? I have yet
> to see what is so proffesional about redhat's site. It is badly laid out at
> best.
>
> Yes, the FreeBSD site could possibly be rearranged to look friendlier to new
> comers, but I seriously doubt copying redhat would help. Glib does not equal
> proffesionalism, at best it is very unproffesional and childish.
>
> > > Perhaps your site can fill the void for those who aren't attracted to the
> > > stock FreeBSD site.
> > >
> > > | I'm just trying to help by coming up with ideas, instead of shooting down
> > > | others,and complaining all the time.
> > > |
> > > | The sooner FreeBSD takes on a professional image, the sooner it'll get
> > > | accepted and treated as a professional solution.
> > > |
> > > | Yes, it's wrong, but it's how life is.
> > >
> > > What is truly wrong are people who redefine their own world to match what
> > > they think others want to see, rather than doing what they themselves
> > > believe to be right.
> >
> > What I believe is right, is giving people what they want. If people
> > want something else then what I want, then who is right?
> >
> > Why not a compromise? Make the first page and a few of the pages
> > directly below it more "commercial" looking. A nice layout with just
> > the basics, explaining what FreeBSD is and where to get it. The
> > rest, ie the handbook, release information etc etc, can look exactly
> > like it does now. If you are looking in those sections, you are
> > probably a BSD user already anyway.
> >
> > > Like it or not, the world is what we (you, me, everyone) make it, not what
> > > others tell us it is.
> >
> > The world is not what you and me make it, its what everyone makes
> > it. Unfortunally, you and me are a very small part of everyone, so
> > we can only change that much.
>
> No, the world is exactly how you make it. If you don't step up to challenges
> then things don't change. If you let idiots have their way with out doing any
> thing about them, then they win.
>
> > If someone wants to polish the BSD commercial image a bit, Im all
> > for it. We all know it needs it.
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