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Date:      Mon, 30 Jul 2001 22:01:47 +0200
From:      Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl>
To:        Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au>
Cc:        Robert Watson <rwatson@FreeBSD.org>, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, bde@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD Gnats <freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: docs/26003: getgroups(2) lists NGROUPS_MAX but not syslimits.h
Message-ID:  <20010730220147.H65558@daemon.ninth-circle.org>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0104011858330.14800-100000@besplex.bde.org>
References:  <Pine.NEB.3.96L.1010331222140.65399B-100000@fledge.watson.org> <Pine.BSF.4.21.0104011858330.14800-100000@besplex.bde.org>

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-On [20010401 13:00], Bruce Evans (bde@zeta.org.au) wrote:
>On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Robert Watson wrote:
>
>> Dunno -- I guess this leads to a number of questions of specification-land
>> -- is NGROUPS_MAX supposed to be exposed to the application, if so, how
>> should the application go about including things to get the value, etc. 
>> Bruce might have a good answer, if not a correct one, so I've CC'd him
>> :-). 
>
>In POSIX.1-1996:
>
>1) NGROUPS_MAX is defined in <limits.h>.  (<sys/syslimits.h> is BSD
>   implementation detail, so it shouldn't be documented.)
>
>2) NGROUPS_MAX is a "Run-Time Increasable Value".  This means that
>   applications may find that the actual maximum number of groups is
>   larger than their compile time value of NGROUPS_MAX.  The run time
>   maximum is given by sysconf(_SC_NGROUPS_MAX).
>
>3) Unlike some other POSIX limits, NGROUPS_MAX must be defined at
>   compile time, although its value is almost useless if its run time
>   value is larger.  A footnote says that future revisions of POSIX.1
>   are expected to permit omitting the definition of NGROUPS_MAX from
>   <limits.h> to indicate that its value is variable.

Latest POSIX draft specifies:

SYNOPSIS
	#include <unistd.h>

	int getgroups(int gidsetsize, gid_t grouplist[]);

[...]

Applications writers should note that {NGROUPS_MAX} is not
necessarily a constant on all implementations.

[...]

Issue 6
	In the SYNOPSIS, the optional include of the <sys/types.h>
	header is removed.

	The following new requirements on POSIX implementations derive
	from alignment with the Single UNIX Specification:

	  · The requirement to include <sys/types.h> has been removed.
	    Although <sys/types.h> was required for conforming
	    implementations of previous POSIX specifications, it was not
	    required for UNIX applications.
	  · A return value of 0 is not permitted, because {NGROUPS_MAX}
	    cannot be 0. This is a FIPS requirement.

-- 
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