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Date:      Sun, 12 Feb 2012 05:44:49 -0300
From:      Gonzalo Nemmi <gnemmi@gmail.com>
To:        Joel Dahl <joel@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com>, Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz>, Chris Rees <crees@freebsd.org>, Eitan Adler <lists@eitanadler.com>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, "Wojciech A. Koszek" <wkoszek@freebsd.czest.pl>
Subject:   Re: Enhancing the user experience with tcsh
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On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 5:12 AM, Joel Dahl <joel@freebsd.org> wrote:
> On 12-02-2012 =A04:05, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote:
>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 5:07 AM, Joel Dahl <joel@freebsd.org> wrote:
>> > On 10-02-2012 =A09:03, Eitan Adler wrote:
>> >> Picking a random person to reply to.
>> >>
>> >> There are a lot of good suggestions in this thread, but can we please
>> >> remember a few things:
>> >>
>> >> - Users can always add their own ~/.cshrc
>> >> - Many users will get annoyed by what is someone else's amazing setup
>> >
>> > With the above in mind, I suggest we change as little as possible from=
 what
>> > we have today (for now) and that we do improvements in small steps.
>> >
>> > I believe 99.99% of all users would find the change below to be a defi=
nite
>> > improvement over the current default values in .cshrc:
>> >
>> > Index: dot.cshrc
>> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>> > --- dot.cshrc =A0 (revision 231507)
>> > +++ dot.cshrc =A0 (working copy)
>> > @@ -24,8 +24,10 @@
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0# An interactive shell -- set some stuff up
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0set prompt =3D "`/bin/hostname -s`# "
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0set filec
>> > - =A0 =A0 =A0 set history =3D 100
>> > - =A0 =A0 =A0 set savehist =3D 100
>> > + =A0 =A0 =A0 set history =3D 1000
>> > + =A0 =A0 =A0 set savehist =3D (1000 merge)
>> > + =A0 =A0 =A0 set autolist
>> > + =A0 =A0 =A0 set autoexpand
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0set mail =3D (/var/mail/$USER)
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0if ( $?tcsh ) then
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0bindkey "^W" backward-delete-word
>> >
>> > Also, a comment pointing to /usr/share/examples/tcsh/complete.tcsh wou=
ld
>> > be a nice addition to the default .cshrc.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Joel
>>
>> Joel, with all due respect, do you really think that 99.9% of all
>> users will not find the _non_intrusive_ additions below useful?
>
> You're missing the point. We need to start with something small that we
> all can agree on. We'll never reach consensus if we're trying to change
> too much at once (just check the amount of messages this topic has create=
d
> already).
>
> --
> Joel

Sure thing Joel, I understand that but I still keep in mind what was
it that prompted Wojciech to open
(http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3D160689): FreeBSD should
have .cshrc updated for modern hardware and useful aliases installed
by default

I can see how the bulk of the messages posted in this thread are not
aiming towards the first half of that goal, and I sure hope you can
see how I didn=B4t post any aliases, bindkeys, unameit of my liking,
except for those unintrusive 4 that I still fail to see how adding
them is not a step forward to a ".cshrc updated for modern hardware"
given that those 4 keys are on every modern keyboard yet they do no
work by default ...

Best Regads
Gonzalo



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