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Date:      Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:38:18 -0400
From:      John Chang <johnec@umich.edu>
To:        Matthew Dillon <dillon@apollo.backplane.com>
Cc:        current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Barebone system rackmount 
Message-ID:  <4.3.2.7.2.20020823220711.02345070@j.imap.itd.umich.edu>
In-Reply-To: <200208240121.g7O1LBdr008187@apollo.backplane.com>
References:  <20020823225907.970A32A7D6@canning.wemm.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20020823203246.02406df0@j.imap.itd.umich.edu>

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I am a system administrator for Win2k/NT and Apple servers but have very 
little experience with linux/freeBSD and Apache.

At 06:21 PM 8/23/2002 -0700, Matthew Dillon wrote:

>:Do you know where I could get a good server rackmount barebones system or a
>:rackmount server with FreeBSD installed?
>:
>:I am looking to use it for a Web server using Apache.  And would you know
>:where I can buy Apache that is more secure out of the box?
>:
>:I basically have very little experience with FreeBSD and Apache but since
>:it is one of the most secure OSs I thought I would use it.  The alternative
>:is using Win2k Adv. Server and IIS or Apache.
>:
>:Do you think it is possible to be able to manage a webserver with very
>:little experience with FreeBSD and Apache?
>:
>:Anyone in Ann Arbor/Detroit Michigan with experience who can help me set 
>it up?
>:
>:Thank you.
>
>     Well, FreeBSD is like other open source OSs (for example, Linux) in that
>     it will run on just about any PC.  I can't help you in regards to
>     finding a rackmount system but I can give you some hints in regards to
>     FreeBSD and Apache.  It's hard to find a good starting point because
>     I don't know what experience you *do* have... for example, have you
>     played with Linux at all?  Have you ever installed Windows on a machine?
>
>     Generally speaking a person exposed to an open-source system for the
>     first time, such as FreeBSD (or Linux, or NetBSD, or OpenBSD, or
>     whatever) has a small hurdle to leap over which is the fact that
>     the installation sequence presumes a certain degree of knowledge about
>     UNIX.  For example even the best GUI installer gives you the chance
>     to 'partition the hard drive'.  But if you don't know what that means
>     you can wind up stuck and confused even if the installer gives you a
>     default way of doing things.  Only so much can be hidden by a GUI
>     installer and the more software you install and manage, the more you
>     are exposed to the innards of the operating system.
>
>     What I recommend more then anything else is:
>
>     (1) Get or burn the CDs and just start playing with FreeBSD on a
>         box you can afford to blow away (the disk) on.
>
>     (2) Locate a friend or associate who already has some experience
>         with open-source operating systems and ask him to help you get
>         things going.  Having someone show you the ropes in-person is a
>         thousand times more effective then over a mailing list.
>
>     With that all said you basically install FreeBSD from the CDRom set.
>     http://www.freebsd.org is a good starting point.  You don't have to
>     purcahse the CDs, you can locate the ISO images, download, and burn
>     the CDs yourself.  Then install and you are on your way!  Once you
>     have the system operational you can install various ports and packages
>     using the FreeBSD ports system.  It's not really possible to go into
>     full detail because that would take days to explain.
>
>     For someone just starting out, be sure to install a -stable release of
>     FreeBSD.  Do not try to install the -current development version.
>
>                                         -Matt
>                                         Matthew Dillon
>                                         <dillon@backplane.com>


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