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Date:      19 Feb 2003 14:07:23 -0500
From:      Chris Shenton <chris@shenton.org>
To:        Matthew Dillon <dillon@apollo.backplane.com>
Cc:        current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Diskless: 5.0R scripts, boot, NFS mount problems I didn't have in 4.7S
Message-ID:  <8765rg1444.fsf@Pectopah.shenton.org>
In-Reply-To: <200302191844.h1JIiUIh004070@apollo.backplane.com>
References:  <87el65pi4e.fsf@Pectopah.shenton.org> <200302191844.h1JIiUIh004070@apollo.backplane.com>

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Matthew Dillon <dillon@apollo.backplane.com> writes:

>     4.x and -current use the same mechanism, except 4.x uses MFS and
>     -current uses MD.

4.x uses /etc/diskless[12] while 5.x (by default) uses
/etc/rc.d/(init)?diskless.  The latter is works very differently than
the former.


>     Ignore the handbook.  Try 'man diskless'.

Ouch, will try the man.



>     kenv is only used in current's rc.diskless scripts, and it 
>     resides in /bin on -current.  

Not on mine:

  chris@Pectopah<103> whereis kenv
  kenv: /usr/bin/kenv /usr/share/man/man1/kenv.1.gz /usr/src/bin/kenv
  chris@Pectopah<104> ls /bin/kenv
  ls: /bin/kenv: No such file or directory
  chris@Pectopah<105> uname -a
  FreeBSD Pectopah.shenton.org 5.0-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 5.0-RELEASE-p1 #0: Sun Feb 16 16:10:36 EST 2003     root@Pectopah.shenton.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/Pectopah  i386

And the /usr/bin/kenv needs the elf libraries to run, it's not static,
so shouldn't live in /sbin and can't run on a diskless box until /usr
is mounted.

>     Basically what you do is create a files and directories in
>     /conf/base and /conf/default which are used to populate the
>     MFS/MD root and other directories.  I have included my setup
>     at the end.

Which startup scripts are you running, old diskless[12] or new
rc.d/(init)?diskless ?

Thanks for your examples, I'll plow through them tonight. But -- more
below -- these sure look like 4.x-compatible stuff, not 5.0.

> /conf/base:
> total 5
> drwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  512 Dec 21 10:37 dev
> drwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  512 Dec 19 22:22 etc
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   11 Dec 20 15:38 etc.remove
> drwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  512 Dec 20 14:31 root
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   12 Dec 20 15:38 root.remove
> 
> /conf/base/dev:
> total 2
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  18 Dec 21 10:37 diskless_remount
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   6 Dec 19 22:22 md_size

The etc.remove and md_size are used by 4.x's diskless[12] but NOT by
the 5.x /etc/rc.d/(init?)diskless scripts.  Are you using the old
startup rc stuff, possibly changing the default value in
/etc/defaults/rc.conf:

  rc_ng="YES"		# Set to NO to disable new-style rc scripts.

If so and it works for you, I can certainly do the same.  But I'd
still like to figure how to get the 5.x rc.d/* scripts to do their
thing.

Actually, I don't see any code to look for that md_size or
diskless_remount in either of 5.0's rc.diskless[12] or
rc.d/(init)?diskless.  I do know that what you're describing is in
4.x's rc.diskless[12], and I did have that working on a 4.7S system.
That's why I'm having so much trouble with the 5.0 diskless boot --
everything's changed.

Lemme know if I'm way off base but it sounds like you're describing a
4.x diskless boot and my problem's with 5.0.

Thanks a bunch!

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