Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 08:15:37 -0400 From: "Brian" <wrath@shianet.org> To: <freebsd-isp@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing) Message-ID: <004301c0bd00$f51d9460$0201a8c0@fear.wrath.net> References: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0104040236270.7946-100000@workhorse.iMach.com> <3ACAF18A.8E9716C@quake.com.au>
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Eh. Network port scanning is no big deal, it's like checking a doorknob but never going in. Only if you go in should you be prosecuted. And port scanning is prosecuteable and there is a law for it. It's amazing how much trouble you can get in for doing a broadcast scan on port 80 looking for webservers. And my scan consisted of nothing more than a handshake, it didn't probe to see what services were installed. This action got me a year and a half of academic probation (I do something wrong again I get kicked out without a hearing), banned from their residential network for the entirety of my stay here, and use of computational facilities for the sole purpose of academics. I'm not allowed to use the internet except in my home department. I quickly got off campus after not having internet access for three months, buying myself a house and getting internet access from a more reliable source. Now I no longer do _anything_ from my machine, that's what shellers are for. In the meantime, the school never understood the simple fact that if I were looking to do damage, I wouldn't do it from my machine. Before, they had serious problems with their routers keeling over. They haven't had their "notwork" stay up for more than a day yet. Not to mention their implementation of managed switches to try to keep packetsniffing to a bare minimum is still not working in its entirety after seven months. They still have this problem, but now they've got DNS servers taking a dump frequently (antiquated version of bind getting hammered). They've got a two year old certificate for ssh on one of their premier machines. I suppose that's what happens when you get old farts working for a school, they're only there for their paycheck. Now they sit around and use their uber-expensive software and hardware to see what the kids are splattering across 'their' network. And due to this, they have kids now using VPNs to play games and such. Most of all the ftps and webservers are scftp and https now just to keep the school from seeing. Everyone uses PGP and passwords. The more knowledgeable people use their own smtp servers just so the school can't have the chance to look at their outgoing mail. This is a prime example of what happens when people overpolice. Thanks for your time -Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kal Torak" <kaltorak@quake.com.au> To: "Forrest W. Christian" <forrestc@imach.com> Cc: "Enno Davids" <enno.davids@metva.com.au>; <freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:03 AM Subject: Re: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing) > > I really hate to say this, but we need some well-written laws to deal with > > this crap, so we can go after these people. Perhaps not with a criminal > > penalty but a civil one instead.... > > Why should network scanning be a crime at all? If anything should be a crime > its sloppy admins that let there networks get comprimised... > > Network scanning is no big deal.. people should just live with it! > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message
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