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Date:      Tue, 05 Oct 2010 14:48:23 +0200
From:      rank1seeker@gmail.com
To:        freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, "Alexander Leidinger" <Alexander@Leidinger.net>
Subject:   Re: Improve OptionalObsoleteFiles.inc
Message-ID:  <20101005.124823.093.1@DEV>
In-Reply-To: <20101005113423.10801orcw6xef9s0@webmail.leidinger.net>
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----- Original Message -----=0D=0AFrom: Alexander Leidinger =
<Alexander@Leidinger.net>=0D=0ATo: Gonzalo Nemmi =
<gnemmi@gmail.com>=0D=0ACc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org=0D=0ADate: Tue, =
05 Oct 2010 11:34:23 +0200=0D=0ASubject: Re: Improve =
OptionalObsoleteFiles.inc=0D=0A=0D=0A> Quoting Gonzalo Nemmi =
<gnemmi@gmail.com> (from Tue, 5 Oct 2010  =0D=0A> 01:30:00 +0200):=0D=0A> =
=0D=0A> > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Paul B Mahol <onemda@gmail.com> =
wrote:=0D=0A> >> On 10/4/10, Peter Pentchev <roam@ringlet.net> =
wrote:=0D=0A> >>> On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 11:01:45AM +0000, Paul B Mahol =
wrote:=0D=0A> >>>> On 10/4/10, Alexander Leidinger =
<Alexander@leidinger.net> wrote:=0D=0A> =0D=0A> >>>> > At least =
status-mailq is still useful with other MTAs, e.g. if you use=0D=0A> >>>> =
> postfix (and assuming the mailwrapper is configured correctly), =
this=0D=0A> >>>> > should still work. Depending on the setup of the =
aliases,=0D=0A> >>>> > backup-aliases will still work too. I haven't =
checked for the other=0D=0A> >>>> > ones.=0D=0A> >>>>=0D=0A> >>>> If you =
want to keep some "old" files, you just need to press `n' instead=0D=0A> =
>>>> of `y'=0D=0A> >>>> when deleting files. You are not forced to run =
make delete-old at all.=0D=0A> >>>=0D=0A> >>> On the other hand, doing =
this (skipping those files) on each and every=0D=0A> >>> system=0D=0A> =
>>> update (say, on a development or testing machine) could get a bit... =
boring=0D=0A> >>> -=0D=0A> >>> not to mention that at some point you'll =
learn to "oh, just say no", and=0D=0A> >>> then=0D=0A> >>> forget to =
remove something important.=0D=0A> >>=0D=0A> >> Oh! I see... I want it in =
black.=0D=0A> >=0D=0A> > Hold your horses there ... get it to work as =
expected and then,=0D=0A> > _and_only_then_ you can start raising your =
finger and accussing poster=0D=0A> > of bikesheding ...=0D=0A> > As it =
stands, _it_sucks_ and I have already pointed it out before=0D=0A> > =
without much success (something as useless as telnet wasn=B4t deleted =
a=0D=0A> > not so long time ago) ... Peter Pentchev=B4s point was a =
completely=0D=0A> > valid one.=0D=0A> =0D=0A> As the one who wrote the =
functionailty: The delete-old stuff is  =0D=0A> designed to delete stuff =
which was installed by an installworld (or  =0D=0A> similar) before, but =
is not installed by installworld (or similar)  =0D=0A> now. As there may =
be old programs around which depend upon such a file  =0D=0A> or =
directory, you have to explicitely tell if you are ok to delete it  =
=0D=0A> or not (it is the responsability of the administrator to make =
sure  =0D=0A> everything is OK). If you are sure no program still depends =
upon it  =0D=0A> (make check-old), you can specify =
-DBATCH_DELETE_OLD_FILES to delete  =0D=0A> everything without being =
asked (see "man build").=0D=0A> =0D=0A> As we've read in this thread that =
the files I would like to keep are  =0D=0A> not installed by an =
installworld if the corresponding option is  =0D=0A> specified, the patch =
is 100% correct and Peter and you want to use  =0D=0A> delete-old for =
something it was not designed for (and I should discuss  =0D=0A> =
somewhere else to install the files I talked about even if the  =0D=0A> =
corresponding option is specified).=0D=0A> =0D=0A> Bye,=0D=0A> =
Alexander.=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A~2 months ago I've opened a thread called:  =
Deinstalling parts of base=0D=0ATake a look here:=0D=0A    =
http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=3D17860=0D=0A=0D=0ADomagoj=0D=0A



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