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Date:      Tue, 3 Oct 2006 12:12:25 +0200
From:      "Simon L. Nielsen" <simon@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Daniel Gerzo <danger@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        glebius@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: Discussion: FreeBSD.org search engine
Message-ID:  <20061003101224.GB982@zaphod.nitro.dk>
In-Reply-To: <1152359325.20060930001147@rulez.sk>
References:  <1152359325.20060930001147@rulez.sk>

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On 2006.09.30 00:11:47 +0200, Daniel Gerzo wrote:

>   What I want to bring to the discussion is a pretty nice service that
>   is currently hosted at (IIRC) the second biggest russian search
>   company, Rambler.  It is currently available through
>   http://freebsd.rambler.ru/ and provides fairly sophisticated FreeBSD
>   mailing list search.  I have already contacted glebius@ who works at
>   Rambler (and he is not the only FreeBSD committer working there)
>   and it seems like Rambler would like to support FreeBSD with their
>   search engine.  One of the problems that has been revealed is that
>   Rambler is currently missing English help.  On the other hand,
>   glebius@ has already called Russian committers for help and there
>   are at least 3-4 of them willing to help with translation to
>   English.  The other thing might be that the Rambler search engine
>   binary must not be leaked; that means if Rambler provided the binary
>   to us in any possible way, it will certainly not be available for
>   everyone of us.

As long as we don't lock our self into a position where we cannot
switch to another search engine in the future if needed (and I don't
see that happening here), I don't consider the closed search engine a
big problem.  When I talked to glebius about this some time ago we
discussed simply hosting the search engine on a system at rambler and
then only allowing rambler employees, and potentially other people who
have signed an NDA, access to the system.  I think that would be
preferable to "The FreeBSD Project" having to handle access to the
system to avoid any potential legal problems.

I do have one thing which I don't like too much about using rambler by
default and that is that rambler basically mirrors the mails so we
have yet another place for mail references (we already both have
docs.freebsd.org and lists.freebsd.org).  I'm not sure if there are
any solutions to this, but it would be nice to handle this somehow.
That said, it's not a showstopper for me.

>   Currently, we are not aware of way to make Rambler to search in more
>   specific mailing lists, say freebsd-doc and freebsd-www; only in one
>   at the moment.  It is essential to be able to limit search queries
>   to more maling lists and glebius@ is quiet sure that will not be a
>   problem at all.  He also noted, that the Rambler developer will add
>   any additional functionality that would be needed.

OK, sounds good to me.

One minor nit which should probably be handled is that rambler
currently doesn't display the message ID - that should be there since
that's the best persistent reference for a mail.

>   I have also asked, if it is possible to search FreeBSD.org web site
>   with Rambler.  I have been told, that currently that is not the
>   case, but the code is prepared.  It just needs to be enabled to
>   index the pages.

OK, if we are going to switch it should IMO be for both mail and web
site.

>   Now, what I would like to hear from you guys is, what do you
>   think about Rambler -- do you like the idea?  What do you see as a
>   requirement for us to be able to switch to Rambler?  Reasons that
>   would prevent us to take a step forward and improve our web and
>   mailing list search?

There are some issues which should be worked out, and you mention the
ones I can recall in your mail, other than that it sounds a feasible
way ahead.  Of cause, it requires someone to take the lead on
this... hint hint :-).

BTW. you might want to poke wosch directly to hear if he has any
comments, since he is the one handling the current search system.

Also note, that you should read the lack of other responses as "No
objections" :-).

-- 
Simon L. Nielsen



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