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Date:      Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:03:49 -0700
From:      "Jim Bodkins (Prologic)" <bodkins@prologic.com>
To:        <freebsd-java@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Java and why I have trouble sleeping.
Message-ID:  <001a01c100de$ffbd72b0$251cd3d0@bodkins>

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Hi,

   Jesse Noller - The problem that I had with JRun was the depricated =
version of tar that was used to build elements of the .sh not JRun =
itself. I have never managed to untar the thing. I did install an "old" =
version of tar and even that didnt work. So whether JRun works or not, I =
have no idea. Dead end right now. I tried posting in general JRun =
questions on the allaire forum (that cold fusion thingy) but didnt get =
very far.

   Gabor Kinces - Thanks for the info. I'll bet you are right about the =
Hot Spot VM and threads. I tried posting to the Enhydra lists, but was =
blocked "for review" or something by a moderator. Not much help there =
actually.

   Ernst de Haan - A port should be easy, but this is so far an =
expeditianary foray into the world of java servlets. Doing a port would =
mean supporting the port for some time. If I were working in this area =
(which might happen) I would definitely do it. I'll think about it. =
Honestly, it's just install Linux-jdk1.4beta port (I had to hunt that =
down on the ftp server), define JAVA_HOME (/usr/local/Linux-jdk1.4beta) =
and JAVA_BIN (/usr/local/Linus-jdk1.4beta/bin/java), untar the resin =
archive somewhere (/usr maybe) ,from /usr/resin-2.0.0 run configure, =
make, make install, cd /usr and "resin-2.0.0/bin/httpd.sh start" and =
it's up. It was like 20 minutes time. Also, as I recall Orion installed =
ok but fubared when run. I'll try it again and take notes if you like. =
(Although I dont have that version of the Linux jdk installed right =
now).

   As a comment from a programmer that has "heard" a great deal about =
Java and it's portability, I think it is odd that Java has this much =
difficulty with portability. I have less trouble with perl or tcl/tk, =
(I'm primarilly a C/C++ programmer). Cross platform portability will =
exist if and when pure java apps can in fact be moved between platforms. =
I dont see that yet. It might be nice once it happens though.

   Since this is supposed to be a "platform independent" system, I =
really have no choice but to use the lastest from Sun. Using a specific =
implementation on a specific OS defeats the purpose IMO.

   Nice feedback by the way. Thanks.=20

Jim
bodkins@prologic.com




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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Jesse Noller - The problem =
that I had=20
with JRun was the depricated version of tar that was used to build =
elements of=20
the .sh not JRun itself. I have never managed to untar the thing. I did =
install=20
an "old" version of tar and even that didnt work. So whether JRun works =
or not,=20
I have no idea. Dead end right now. I tried posting in general JRun =
questions on=20
the allaire forum (that cold fusion thingy) but didnt get very =
far.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Gabor Kinces - Thanks for =
the info.=20
I'll bet you are right about the Hot Spot VM and threads. I tried =
posting to the=20
Enhydra lists, but was blocked "for review" or something by a moderator. =
Not=20
much help there actually.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Ernst de Haan - A port =
should be easy,=20
but this is so far an expeditianary foray into the world of java =
servlets. Doing=20
a port would mean supporting the port for some time. If I were working =
in this=20
area (which might happen) I would definitely do it. I'll think about it. =

Honestly, it's just install Linux-jdk1.4beta port (I had to hunt that =
down on=20
the ftp server), define JAVA_HOME (/usr/local/Linux-jdk1.4beta) and =
JAVA_BIN=20
(/usr/local/Linus-jdk1.4beta/bin/java), untar the resin archive =
somewhere (/usr=20
maybe) ,from /usr/resin-2.0.0 run configure, make, make install, cd /usr =
and=20
"resin-2.0.0/bin/httpd.sh start" and it's up. It was like 20 minutes =
time. Also,=20
as I recall Orion installed ok but fubared when run. I'll try it again =
and take=20
notes if you like. (Although I dont have that version of the Linux jdk =
installed=20
right now).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; As a comment from a =
programmer that=20
has "heard" a great deal about Java and it's portability, I think it is =
odd that=20
Java has this much difficulty with portability. I have less trouble with =
perl or=20
tcl/tk, (I'm primarilly a C/C++ programmer). Cross platform portability =
will=20
exist if and when pure java apps can in fact be moved between platforms. =
I dont=20
see that yet. It might be nice once it happens though.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Since this is supposed to =
be a=20
"platform independent" system, I really have no choice but to use the =
lastest=20
from Sun. Using a specific implementation on a specific OS defeats the =
purpose=20
IMO.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Nice feedback by the way. =
Thanks.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jim</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"mailto:bodkins@prologic.com">bodkins@prologic.com</A></FONT></DIV=
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