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Date:      Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:45:18 +0200
From:      Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
To:        =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=E1bor?= Stefanik <netrolller.3d@gmail.com>
Cc:        Richard Farina <sidhayn@gmail.com>, Dave Young <hidave.darkstar@gmail.com>, Rafael Laufer <rlaufer@cs.ucla.edu>, Sepherosa Ziehau <sepherosa@gmail.com>, linux-wireless <linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org>, misc-openbsd <misc@openbsd.org>, Thomas d'Otreppe <tdotreppe@aircrack-ng.org>, freebsd-mobile <freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org>, Mike Kershaw <dragorn@kismetwireless.net>, Damien Bergamini <damien.bergamini@free.fr>, Sam Leffler <sam@freebsd.org>, tech-openbsd <tech@openbsd.org>, netbsd-net <tech-net@netbsd.org>, wireshark-dev <wireshark-dev@wireshark.org>, radiotap <radiotap@radiotap.org>
Subject:   Re: Plans for an online meeting regarding Radiotap
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On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 16:41 +0200, G=C3=A1bor Stefanik wrote:

> My intention with the meeting is to form an actual proposal that all
> implementors can agree on. We can produce proposals, and even new
> standardized fields to no avail, as some implementors (especially
> OpenBSD) appear to be stuck with implementations that collide with the
> standard. These implementors need to be "awakened" and entered into
> the discussions before anything can be done.

There's nothing the standard can do about that. Like I said, we've
talked about that enough in my opinion.

> > Your own proposal had technical flaws (and in my opinion tried to do to=
o
> > much at a time) that you haven't addressed -- doing that would be much
> > more productive than any such meeting.
>=20
> What technical flaws are you trying to point out exactly? (The TX
> flags field? My point is that it's worthless to "standardize" TX flags
> by extending it and moving to "Defined fields" if noone is willing to
> implement it.)

But people are already implementing it, and if they do something else
that's their problem. The flaw I'm thinking of was over the RTS/CTS
handling where some people (including myself) had comments. Besides,
you're supposed to make at least two implementations when proposing a
standard field.

johannes

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