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Date:      Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:50:51 +1200
From:      "Dan Langille" <junkmale@xtra.co.nz>
To:        freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
Cc:        Darren Pilgrim <dpilgrim@uswest.net>
Subject:   Re: The FreeBSD Installation Guide Project [Was: Re: FreeBSD Adovcacy]
Message-ID:  <19990404005224.CUBP5707006.mta2-rme@wocker>
In-Reply-To: <199904032225.PAA13716@usr04.primenet.com>
References:  <19990403191536.G2142@lemis.com> from "Greg Lehey" at Apr 3, 99 07:15:36 pm

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On 3 Apr 99, at 22:25, Terry Lambert wrote:

> I think relative newness is a job requirement for what he proposes
> to do.

One of the biggest obstacles I had when starting in with FreeBSD was not 
knowing anything about unix.  For example, when having trouble with my 
file system, someone asked me what was in fstab.  I had no idea now to see 
what was in there.  They had to tell me about cat.

As a newcomer, I believe it's vitally important for people to have 
practical examples of how to do something.  The man pages are really only 
useful if you already know what you are doing.  That's part of the reason 
why I write my webpages.  Granted, there are selfish motives [mostly so I 
can remember what I did and how].  But given the number of people using my 
site and the references made to it by other people, stuff like that is 
useful.  This post isn't a self-promotion exercise.  It's an attempt to 
blatently point out that more is needed.  And that's what IGP is all 
about.  I think it's vital that it be written for newbies by newbies. 
FWIW, I classify myself as a newbie.

I think it was Greg that said:

> > Consider what happens if you do it your own way, rather than putting it
> > in the handbook: we'll end up with two different installation guides
> > (well, three if you include mine, but that one costs money :-), one
> > undoubtedly better than the other, with contradictions in them which
> > will just confuse people.

What's wrong with more than one guide?  Should I abandon my website now?

Your book is great.  I use it.  But not everyone can get it.  The handbook 
is great.  Not everyone uses it.  I refer to it all the time from my 
documents.

Contradictions can be fixed.  They are not an unsurmountable barrior.

I think we are all agreed that something more is needed.  The only 
decision now is how.

Darren, do not waver.  Your stuff is needed.  I'll help you any way I can. 
 Whether you choose to go the handbook or whatever, IGP still needed.  The 
best witness to that fact is the number of request we get on undernet 
#freebsd for help with installs.

more power to you.

--
Dan Langille
The FreeBSD Diary
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