Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:47:39 +1100 From: "Andrew Reilly" <areilly@bigpond.net.au> To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Paul_Richards=F2?=" <paul@originative.co.uk> Cc: cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, Jordan Hubbard <jkh@osd.bsdi.com>, asmodai@wxs.nl, phk@critter.freebsd.dk, grog@lemis.com, rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG, imp@harmony.village.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Core's function (was: The Project and onward [was: Re: cvscommit: src/sys/netinet ip_output.c]) Message-ID: <20010314104739.A50356@gurney.reilly.home> In-Reply-To: <3AAEA353.B31800B5@originative.co.uk>; from paul@originative.co.uk on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 10:46:43PM %2B0000 References: <20010313121002.F59348@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3794.984471257@critter> <20010313104930.C60817@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <20010313133108S.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <3AAEA353.B31800B5@originative.co.uk>
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 10:46:43PM +0000, Paul Richards=F2=0F wrote: > Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > That's why so much of this kind of work goes on inside of > > universities. They have the kind of time and personnel resources to > > write white papers which give a programmer the kind of outline they > > can work from in writing some actual implementation code, and that's > > usually hardly trivial either. Some of the most complex work to enter > > FreeBSD in the last couple of years didn't come out of discussions in > > -arch, in fact, they came out of white papers like Ganger-Patt's > > "CSE-TR-254-95" which Kirk followed in writing the softupdates code. >=20 > I'm not disagreeing with you here, but it raises some interesting > questions about what this project can hope to achieve if "hard" stuff is > deemed too hard for this kind of environment to accomplish. I don't think that anyone is saying that anything is "too hard". Take the SMP-NG effort as an example. To my eyes, that project has some seriously _hard_ things to achieve, and yet there is progress. Researchers tend to like working on new things, things that have never been done before. Clusters in the Beowulf style are no longer new, and "clusters on FreeBSD" isn't really a research project. It's effort, but it's not research. So I don't really think that we should look for University help there. I do think that FreeBSD probably makes a great target for University CS research. Is there much of that around any more, at the OS level? --=20 Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message
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