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Date:      Sat, 07 Jul 2001 00:47:31 -0700
From:      Jordan Hubbard <jkh@osd.bsdi.com>
To:        shannon@widomaker.com
Cc:        freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral
Message-ID:  <20010707004731V.jkh@osd.bsdi.com>
In-Reply-To: <20010707002340.B16071@widomaker.com>
References:  <20010706144935.A61843@xor.obsecurity.org> <3B4650D0.97F10B83@bellatlantic.net> <20010707002340.B16071@widomaker.com>

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From: Shannon Hendrix <shannon@widomaker.com>
Subject: Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 00:23:41 -0400

> I don't think this is a good idea. The foundation can give a certain CD
> vendor official status without limiting the rest. This is how things
> were in the past, and it seemed OK to me.

Erm, I really think that some folks are missing the point with all
this.  It's not up to the foundation to determine how the release bits
are distributed nor has it ever been, just as it's not up to the
release engineer or the FreeBSD core team to determine how the
foundation spends any money it collects.  Each is a completely
separate entities with its own methods of picking "officers" and
making decisions.  They should all certainly be on friendly terms as
they're all in the same "FreeBSD boat", but people really need to be
careful about making assumptions about what the Foundation does or,
for that matter, the core team does.  If you haven't heard something
explicitly stated as a part of some group's public mandate, please
don't assume that it's the case. :(

> The only thing I'm concerned with _as_a_user_, is that anyone who
> distributes CDs uses what the core team supports as "being FreeBSD". I'd
> hate to see someone roll their own and call it FreeBSD.

I think Nik already did a good job of covering this.  If you
distribute, at a minimum, the "base bits" that will come on the
mini-ISO image and make it clear that the standard installation tools
are present and should be used for any "stock" FreeBSD installation
experience, you're in the clear.  You can certainly offer wizzo things
like a graphical installer as an option and document it as the
preferred installation method for people using FreeBSD as a desktop,
for example, but it has to be very clear that this is a non-standard
value-add and they (the user) shouldn't just fire up a message to
freebsd-questions if they have problems with it.  Nobody on that
mailing list will even likely know what that user is talking about and
confusion will reign all around.  By making it clear at the outset
that it's an extention and "not simply FreeBSD", that should
be OK.

- Jordan

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