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Date:      Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:14:28 -0400
From:      Martin Cracauer <cracauer@cons.org>
To:        Scott Long <scottl@samsco.org>
Cc:        Martin Cracauer <cracauer@cons.org>, freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: 4 GB RAM showing up as 3, BIOS memory hole and all that
Message-ID:  <20050816111428.A24284@cons.org>
In-Reply-To: <430173BE.4080802@samsco.org>; from scottl@samsco.org on Mon, Aug 15, 2005 at 11:03:58PM -0600
References:  <20050815125657.A92343@cons.org> <20050815172250.GA32804@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20050815183846.A99145@cons.org> <430173BE.4080802@samsco.org>

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> You are definitely going to loose the address space from 3.75GB to 4GB
> to normal PCI and APIC overhead.  If you have PCI Express then you'll
> likely also loose the space from 3.5 to 3.75GB.  Any other space lost
> beyond that would be possible but usual.  And no, most AMD systems do
> *NOT* remap the lost space.
> 
> If you want a detailed analysis then please send a verbose boot message
> along with a pointer to the specs on your motherboard.  That will give
> enough to information to say if FreeBSD is at fault or if your
> motherboard is simply sub-standard.

If you have time for explanations I would rather be interested to know
how the above situation works in the case that you *don't* have 4 GB
of RAM.

Correct me if I'm wrong but:
- the above 3.5 to 4.0 GB addresses are physical, not virtual
- if you have less than 3.5 GB there is no physical memory at these
  addresses that PCI and APIC need
- but if you have 4 GB there is physical memory at these addresses

I don't understand how this can transparently work with and without
physical RAM at 3.5-4.0 GB.


I am not worrying too much about my particular board, and in any case
I just fatfingered a BIOS update and it won't POST :-)
It's a Arima Rioworks HDAMB http://www.rioworks.com/HDAMB.htm If
people are interested I can send the boot -v afer I recover.

Thanks
	Martin
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