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Date:      Tue, 25 Sep 2001 03:31:05 +0300
From:      Konstantinos Konstantinidis <kkonstan@duth.gr>
To:        chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: helping victims of terror
Message-ID:  <3BAFD049.D47F0F66@duth.gr>
References:  <20010925001027.A750@lpt.ens.fr>

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Bah... I tried *really* hard to stay out of this discussion, but I just
can't. Rahul, this is not a direct response to your mail mind you, your
mail was just a starting point for me. I believe that you may find that
we agree on several points.

Rahul Siddharthan <rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in> wrote:
> This crime is not acceptable.  There is no justification for it.
> America has every right to retaliate.  No argument on that.

Certainly... striking the Pentagon is one thing - even though civilians
do work there, it is a military installation, and war is war - but
striking a civilian building at business hours is a clear indication
that their goal was to kill thousands of innocent people. THIS is
certainly not acceptable, and that is an understatement.

I am not too sure though that this gives any God given right for any
kind of retaliation or not, at least not without considering what
results this would have. You see the problem is NOT that the terrorists
did this, the problem is that they had the reason and will to do
something like this.

It is easy to dismiss a case of a lone terrorist as an act of lunacy or
whatever, but it takes a cause (whether it is just or not is irrelevant
and only history will be the judge of that) for so many people to team
up and conspire and execute a plan as complex as that, especially one
which involves the planned death of members of the team.

Also, lets not forget that the desired outcome of any US action
following those events is, or rather should be, not just to bring to
justice those responsible, but to also ensure that such a tragedy
doesn't happen again.

Sure you can probably capture and kill all of those involved that
weren't actually on the planes, but if you don't do anything about the
root of the problem, you'll just get more of the same sooner or later,
for the obvious reason that the obviously don't give a damn for their
life anyway, and they aren't scared of the consequences of their
actions. Preventing such attacks in the future is I believe obviously
out of the question, even if freedom is severely sacrificed in the US. I
mean come on, they did this with pocket knifes and paper cutters for
crying out loud. That's all it took, along with careful planning and
determination of course. You just can't ban all sharp objects and
thought. Even with all the money and technology in the world, the US,
just like any other country, will never be immune to such, or entirely
different kind of attacks.

If the US goes ahead and attacks Afghanistan or any other country for
that matter, this will just create hordes of new innocent orphans or
fathers that watched their children die for no reason whatsoever, just
the kind of people in other words that it takes for such attacks to go
on in the future. Oh, it would also do absolutely nothing to bring to
justice those involved.

I happen to live in Greece, which is in the EU and a NATO member for
those not in the know, and I have friends in the army that were part of
the KFOR. It is one thing to listen about "collateral damage" on CNN,
and another to be a part of the peacekeeping force in a totally
devastated country which only years ago you used to go on holiday to...
Imagine what would have happened if these were not "surgical hits" with
"smart bombs" as they were described back then.

You know, when I heard G. Bush say in his first speech that day that
this was an act of cowards, I felt uneasy... it takes a lot of balls to
die for a cause, no matter how just or not it is, and it certainly takes
more balls than taking a decision in the oval office to bomb a country
back to the stone age (again, if I might add) from 50,000 feet with no
risk of allied casualties... I wouldn't be too quick to use the word
"coward" if I was in his shoes so to say.

I think that the reason that the US public is unable to comprehend why
would people do such a thing is that they have absolutely no idea
whatsoever about what their government is doing worldwide. I'm not
basing this on any stereotype or anything - I have friends, colleagues
and relatives over in the US mind you. I believe that if they had a
clue, perhaps they would realise that revenge might not be such a good
idea, because it was such acts in the first place that fueled the hatred
that was the root of the events of the 11th of September.

Just the other night I was watching a late night talk show which
included well respected people and people from the government (greek)
and there was a live telephone interview with Colin Powell. One of the
questions that the host of the show had the balls to ask (believe me it
wasn't one of those staged PR acts you see on CNN or other similar
"news" networks over there in the US) was whether or not the US had
noticed a trend and had fears that after having armed and trained UCK to
cause havoc in Yugoslavia, just like they did with the Taliban in
Afghanistan, they too might turn against the US. Arguably, this was
bellow the belt, however it is THESE kind of questions that the American
public should be asking. For the record, Mr. Powell denied any US
connection with the UCK and the Taliban (BS, both are well documented)
and having nothing else to say went on mumbling about the "awful" track
record of terrorism in Greece, which is absolute BS, we're talking a few
dozen dead in the last 30 years, nearly all military or secret service
related... contrast that with Oklahoma City bombing for example, or
organized terrorist groups in other Western countries (ETA in Spain, the
IRA in the UK, I could go on etc). He even went as far as to imply that
the government wasn't doing a particularly good job at aprehending those
responsible, quite clearly implying that the government might be
supporting terrorism (!). This in my book is as close as it gets to a
threat from a diplomat, particularly when it comes a few hours after the
president of the US declared war on all states that provide a safe
harbour to terrorists. I don't want to even think of what he might have
said had Greece not been a US ally.

Is this the new world order then? The US being the legislative, judicial
and executing branch of a world government? I sincerely hope that the US
citizens will wake up and start asking tough questions to those that
govern them, because a crusade against such an ill defined enemy is
merely a license to kill, and they, the innocent US citizens, might face
the dire consequences again, just like the innocent citizens of other
countries worldwide have been facing for years now.

--kkonstan

Disclaimer: I am just a network admin over here, and that's all I do at
the university. This is my opinion and mine only, and I wouldn't be too
surprised if all of the professors over here at the history and
ethnology or the international relations departments told me I was dead
wrong :>

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