Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:02:41 -0500
From: Larry Sica <lomion@mac.com>
To: Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>
Cc: Magnus B{ckstr|m <b@etek.chalmers.se>, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: dillon@'s commit bit: I object
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I've tried not to get drawn into this but..
On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 01:11 PM, Brett Glass wrote:
> At 10:56 AM 2/4/2003, Magnus B{ckstr|m wrote:
>
>> I would consider a more open governance to be harmful.
>
> Most (if not all) failures in governance are created or
> sustained by secrecy.
>
>> "Those most involved" need to be developers; they are the only ones
>> investing anything in the project
>
> Nonsense. System administrators, documentors, and users engaged
>
I have to agree here. A broader representation of the total userbase
might make for a more even representation. One that takes other
factors into account. To be honest some of the logistics of the
project have been sorely lacking.
I do not have the expertise to do any hard core programming, does that
mean i therefore should have no say? What if i write a number of
articles, or am really helpful? Or maintain hundreds of freebsd
systems? Does my investment seem less just because I am not a
committer?
I have an investment in FreeBSD. I have written some articles, even
had one printed in daemonnews' print mag. I maintain a number of
systems, i try and help others with problems.
Just a thought
> in advocacy also have large investments and must be represented.
>
> The limitation of voting to those with "commit bits" creates an
> extreme bias toward those with their heads down and/or those
> with egos heavily invested in their code; it also increases the
> likelihood that "real world" factors will not be considered.
> It is one of the reasons why FreeBSD receives so little press
> and so little corporate support relative to Linux. Advocacy,
> a crucial part of any such project, is not valued.
>
>
There is truth in this statement. Engineers and programmers are not
always good marketers, advocates or planners. That should be taken
into account. A project w/o all three things, engineering, planning
and marketing will always be hindered...
- --Larry
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