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Date:      Tue, 05 Feb 2002 19:57:29 +0100
From:      Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.freebsd.dk>
To:        nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams)
Cc:        John Polstra <jdp@polstra.com>, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: A question about timecounters 
Message-ID:  <91784.1012935449@critter.freebsd.dk>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 05 Feb 2002 11:51:58 MST." <15456.10702.319710.952387@caddis.yogotech.com> 

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In message <15456.10702.319710.952387@caddis.yogotech.com>, Nate Williams writes:
>> >> Can you try to MFC rev 1.111 and see if that changes anything ?
>> >
>> >That produced some interesting results.  I am still testing under
>> >very heavy network interrupt load.  With the change from 1.111, I
>> >still get the microuptime messages about as often.  But look how
>> >much larger the reported backwards jumps are:
>> >
>> >    microuptime() went backwards (896.225603 -> 888.463636)
>> >    microuptime() went backwards (896.225603 -> 888.494440)
>> >    microuptime() went backwards (896.225603 -> 888.500875)
>> >    microuptime() went backwards (1184.392277 -> 1176.603001)
>> >    microuptime() went backwards (1184.392277 -> 1176.603749)
>> 
>> (Ok, I'll MFC 1.111)
>
>Huh?  It appears that 1.111 makes things worse, not better (larger
>jumps).

No, 1.111 makes the jumps report more correctly I think.  They will
maybe save your meal in less bad cases than yours, but in yours they
just make sure that we don't get invalid number of microseconds in
a timeval, and consequently we get more honest output.

>> We now have three options left:
>> 	hardclock interrupt starvation 
>
>This is Bruce's hypothesis, right?

Also mine for that matter.

>> 	scheduling related anomaly wrt to the use of microuptime().
>> 	arithmetic overflow because the call to microuptime() gets
>> 	interrupted for too long.
>
>'Interrupted for too long'.  Do you mean 'not interrupted enough', aka
>a long interrupt blockage?  (I'm trying to understand here.)

See my previous email, I just explained it there.

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