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Date:      Mon, 4 May 1998 02:18:53 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Tim Vanderhoek <ac199@hwcn.org>
To:        "Matthew N. Dodd" <winter@jurai.net>
Cc:        Eivind Eklund <eivind@yes.no>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: ports/www/ijb - Imported sources
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.3.96.980504020605.332B-100000@localhost>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.980504000437.20104M-100000@sasami.jurai.net>

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On Mon, 4 May 1998, Matthew N. Dodd wrote:

> image with the page.  HTTP/HTML does not require that I load images at
> all.

What does this have to do with images?  Lynx doesn't load images.
It's just as wrong to filter ads from Lynx as it is from
Netscape.


> Again, I don't see how I'm at fault when you (the seller of ad space) fail
> to accurately track usage.

You are delibrately and explicitly circumventing their tracking
system (or whatever system you choose to talk about). 

An analogy would be helpful.

If I say something that offends you, perhaps I use the expression
"What the heck", and you are offended, but I have not
intentionally offended you (the expression is quite acceptable in
my cultural vocabulary), then that is not my fault.

If, however, I choose an expression that I know you will find
offensive, and I choose this particular expression expressly
because you will find it offensive, then I am at fault.  I have
no right to yell "$@#! you!" at you everytime I see you.


> If TV and Radio stations sold advertising the way you do nobody would
> advertise as the statement 'we -think- your add will be played 5 times a
> day but aren't quite sure.' would be highly offensive to the people buying
> advertising space from you.

They, in effect, do.  The actual phrase is "We think you ad will
be heard by 5 people a day, but we really aren't sure how many
people are listening at any given moment."  Advertisers buy
advertising on a statistical basis (although, I suspect, somewhat
of an intuitive statistical basis :).


> Striving for upright ethis is indeed a good goal though passing the buck
> and requiring a particular behavior in order to remain ethical in light
> ofsomeone's dishonesty as an advertising provider is another.
> 
> If you are not informing your clients of how many tiems you requested a
> browser load their ad you are guilty of fraud.
> 
> Put that in your ethical pipe and smoke it.  :)

Huh?


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