Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 19:24:33 -0500 From: "Mike Karels" <mike@karels.net> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Cc: "Poul-Henning Kamp" <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>, "Jeremie Le Hen" <jlh@freebsd.org>, "Mark Linimon" <linimon@lonesome.com>, "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: rtools were deemed almost unused 15 years ago... Message-ID: <4081124D-D70E-40FD-B29C-E542D887FA2A@karels.net> In-Reply-To: <201706221553.v5MFrCgM098459@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> References: <201706221553.v5MFrCgM098459@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net>
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On 22 Jun 2017, at 10:53, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> -------- >> In message <20170621034106.GA27501@lonesome.com>, Mark Linimon writes: >>> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 12:36:37PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: >>>> Keep the telnet client. It's still heavily used for more things than >>>> connecting to telnetd. >>> >>> e.g. dumb remote power controllers. >>> >>> nc blah 23 doesn't get me very far, am I missing a magic flag? >> >> No, you're missing TELNET option negotiations. > > nc -t well do that for you. (I only know this because I just went > and read the man page for nc as someone mentioned it in this > thread and I wanted to know if infact it supports telnet option > negatiation.) > > But this does NOT mean I agree with removal of telnet/telnetd. > > Isnt this whole discussion kinda pointless if you consider > this well be handle by packaged base? Those who want these > in there systems can have them, and those that think telnet/ > telnetd are a bigger security risk than nc can also remove > them. A belated +1 for removing most of the rtools, which were basically a proof of concept many, many years ago. I agree with keeping telnet, which I use constantly to connect to ports other than 23; I have mixed feelings about telnetd, but I haven=E2=80=99t enabled it in many years. Mike From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Sun Jun 25 13:09:32 2017 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org> Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0FBD913F3 for <freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org>; Sun, 25 Jun 2017 13:09:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slw@zxy.spb.ru) Received: from zxy.spb.ru (zxy.spb.ru [195.70.199.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F0D06E5A6; Sun, 25 Jun 2017 13:09:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slw@zxy.spb.ru) Received: from slw by zxy.spb.ru with local (Exim 4.86 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from <slw@zxy.spb.ru>) id 1dP7I3-000DgJ-9U; Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:09:23 +0300 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:09:23 +0300 From: Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru> To: Jeremie Le Hen <jlh@freebsd.org> Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rtools were deemed almost unused 15 years ago... Message-ID: <20170625130923.GD18123@zxy.spb.ru> References: <CAGSa5y3kVajpSSJUT9Vt0-dTwtaXMwNWvv_ELH14z68osM0UYA@mail.gmail.com> <CAGSa5y1=1zN0ywKQ--HTi+DY18M5o+GR0fv6CyaaF9WX-z9BZg@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <CAGSa5y1=1zN0ywKQ--HTi+DY18M5o+GR0fv6CyaaF9WX-z9BZg@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: <locally generated> X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: slw@zxy.spb.ru X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zxy.spb.ru); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture <freebsd-arch.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-arch>, <mailto:freebsd-arch-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/>; List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-arch@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-arch-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch>, <mailto:freebsd-arch-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 13:09:32 -0000 On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 10:29:22PM +0200, Jeremie Le Hen wrote: > So the first step was to create a port with FreeBSD rcmds, here we > are! But I need some eyes to vet it: > https://reviews.freebsd.org/D11345 1. Create port 2. Port unmantained 3. Port broken 4. Port removed. 5. Lack of functionality.
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