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Date:      Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:02:43 +0200
From:      Ruslan Ermilov <ru@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.freebsd.dk>
Cc:        cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/sbin/natd natd.8 natd.c
Message-ID:  <20011031210243.N91951@sunbay.com>
In-Reply-To: <20011031205743.L91951@sunbay.com>; from ru@FreeBSD.org on Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 08:57:43PM %2B0200
References:  <20011031202106.G91951@sunbay.com> <73893.1004553742@critter.freebsd.dk> <20011031205743.L91951@sunbay.com>

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Grr, this was intended to be sent in private, sorry.  :(

On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 08:57:43PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 07:42:22PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> > In message <20011031202106.G91951@sunbay.com>, Ruslan Ermilov writes:
> > 
> > 
> > >Please back this change out, indicated by: ``Requested by: ru''.
> > 
> > No.
> > 
> You can't just say "no" here, as "every disputed change should be
> backed out if requested by a maintainer", but see below.
> 
> > >I don't agree with this change; 
> > 
> > Well, I agree with this change.
> > 
> > >this is not what Flemming submitted.
> > 
> > No, I changed it with Flemmings permission.
> > 
> I wasn't aware, and you didn't mention it in the commitlog.
> 
> > >His patch added the -nolog_ipfw_denied, while you changed this to
> > >-log_ipfw_denied, breaking POLA (the current behavior of natd),
> > >which is BAD, as this message (usually) indicates a misconfigured
> > >firewall.
> > 
> > No, Adding negative options breaks POLA.
> > 
> No, changing the current behavior breaks POLA.
> 
> > >As the maintainer of natd(8), I would appreciate it if you mailed
> > >me about your intentions to commit this.
> > 
> > Your totally unflexible behaviour in the discussion with Flemming
> > (and me) about this change earns you no credit as maintainer.
> > 
> Unflexible?  We were disputing the change, I offered an alternate
> solution which was rejected, then I swamped with some non-FreeBSD
> related things, and you just committed this without even telling
> me about your intentions.  I'm sure you won't behav like this if
> Flemming wasn't Dutch.
> 
> > >I re-opened the PR in question, and will look into this soon after
> > >I return from BSDCon/Euro.
> > 
> > Lets discuss it at BSDcon/Euro then and leave the tree in peace 
> > until then.
> > 
> Please make this option the default then, and let's discuss it at
> the Con.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> -- 
> Ruslan Ermilov		Oracle Developer/DBA,
> ru@sunbay.com		Sunbay Software AG,
> ru@FreeBSD.org		FreeBSD committer,
> +380.652.512.251	Simferopol, Ukraine
> 
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Ruslan Ermilov		Oracle Developer/DBA,
ru@sunbay.com		Sunbay Software AG,
ru@FreeBSD.org		FreeBSD committer,
+380.652.512.251	Simferopol, Ukraine

http://www.FreeBSD.org	The Power To Serve
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