Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:56:52 -0800 From: Garrett Cooper <youshi10@u.washington.edu> To: Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com> Cc: Ade Lovett <ade@freebsd.org>, Steven Kreuzer <stevenkreuzer@yahoo.com>, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System Message-ID: <291C2604-2EDD-412E-9108-2ADD7D4D9F68@u.washington.edu> In-Reply-To: <20071213111050.O6078@wonkity.com> References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> <19341C6C-BF3A-4DFD-B8DF-87F4E92B0335@FreeBSD.org> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> <20071213111050.O6078@wonkity.com>
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On Dec 13, 2007, at 10:17 AM, Warren Block wrote: > On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Steven Kreuzer wrote: > >> This thread was called "results of ports re-engineering survey" >> but I figured I would start a new thread. > > Rightly so. > >> On Dec 12, 2007, at 6:45 AM, Ade Lovett wrote: >>> We *know* it can be done better. We *know* the scaling limits of >>> the current system, and most of us are completely amazed it even >>> still works. >>> If y'all want to make a difference, concepts and ideas we have >>> plenty of. Code talks. >> >> Out of curiosity, are any of these shortcomings documented >> anywhere? I have been using ports on my home machine for a long >> time and I've never >> had any problems with it. I assume the issues come into play when >> you work with multiple systems you are trying to keep in sync, etc. >> >> I would be interested in reading about some of the limitations >> people have run into when using ports. > > Notable with the new modular Xorg is the speed of changes (install/ > deinstall/clean) when there are a lot of ports installed. Before > modular xorg, 400 ports installed was a lot. 700 now is not > surprising. > > Some profiling looking for areas which could benefit from speed > optimization would be useful. That may have already been done but > not publicized. > > -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA My hunch is that part of the problem lies in the fact (unfortunately) that everything's done via Makefiles and that there's a lot of redundancy to some extent with the operations performed by pkg_install and friends (at least from reading and writing the /var/ db/pkg* and /usr/ports/INDEX* files are concerned), in particular when dealing with non-slave / -master instances, and how make is invoking pkg_install(1). I don't have hard evidence to support that point though, and until that point is reached my comment is merely speculation. -Garrett
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