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Date:      Fri, 12 Sep 1997 03:15:54 +0200 (CEST)
From:      Mikael Karpberg <karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se>
To:        branson.matheson@ferginc.com
Cc:        freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: ATTN Emacs users; new Zile release
Message-ID:  <199709120115.DAA00578@ocean.campus.luth.se>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.3.96.970911135833.433O-100000@toth.hq.ferg.com> from Branson Matheson at "Sep 11, 97 02:02:20 pm"

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According to Branson Matheson:
> On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, S. Sigala wrote:
> 
> > Hi, around two month ago i have announced the latest alpha
> > of my Emacs-clone text editor "Zile".
>  ...
> > 
> > The idea is to replace the "standard" FreeBSD editor "ee" with this
> > one (if FBSD core like it).
> 
> Hmmm... I for one would not want it to be the standard editor. Vi is
> and always has been the standard editor for unix. I think it should
> stay that way. One of the first two commands on any new boxen that I
> create is:
> 
> rm /usr/bin/ee ; ln -s /usr/bin/vi /usr/bin/ee
> 
> Lets keep the unix editor the standard unix editor, vi...  or at least
> offer a choice ,I think there is/was somthing like that in the
> /stand/sysconfig when configuring. At least for vipw. 

Really!

After seeing three such responses I must say:

- You guys have NOT being paying attention. A bit back there was this 20000
  entires discussion of what we should use, and it's NOT a matter of using
  vi, or not using vi. It's in the system, and if you guys (like I do) want
  a hard to use, and very unfriendly newbie editor then you've been around,
  and I'm sure you can change the default EDITOR enviroment variable.
  And we had 3 fine examples of that in your posts.

The question is if "ee" should be replaced as the newbie ALTERNATIVE to
vi. If "zile" is compatible with the list of things we demand from this
alternative editor, then I say kick "ee" out and put "zile" in there.
Because frankly, it can't get much worse then ee, me thinks. Zile seems
useful, even! If it's newbie friendly enough it is as good as ee, but it
should appeal to emacs users too, who don't like messing around with vi.

I for one use both vi and emacs, depending on what I'm doing. Zile would
probably make me much happier then ee, which I can't stand.

Just trying to help clear things out...

   /Mikael



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