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Date:      Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:08:28 -0800
From:      David Bushong <david@bushong.net>
To:        Mike Harding <mvh@ix.netcom.com>
Cc:        bde@zeta.org.au, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, mi@aldan.algebra.com
Subject:   Re: load stays at 1 on an idle machine
Message-ID:  <20010315000828.F50831@bushong.net>
In-Reply-To: <20010310132722.BF1A4113E7A@netcom1.netcom.com>; from mvh@ix.netcom.com on Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 05:27:22AM -0800
References:  <Pine.BSF.4.21.0103102356340.13280-100000@besplex.bde.org> <20010310132722.BF1A4113E7A@netcom1.netcom.com>

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I, too, see this all the time, and have since I upgraded to 3.0 (same machine,
have upgraded incrementally to 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 4.0, 4.1, 4.2 (all -STABLEs)),
and have seen this the whole time.  Never tracked it down, either...

(Just another data point)

My machine: PII/266, 128MB memory, P2L97 motherboard (everything else has
changed at one time or another)

--David Bushong

On Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 05:27:22AM -0800, Mike Harding wrote:
> 
> I have seen this behavior a number of times over the years, but never
> tracked it down.  I even looked at the kernel code which computed the
> load to see if I could identify anything obvious.
> 
> I have noticed that when this happes, the load is basically a
> completely stable value of 1.0 or very close to it, almost like it is
> in a locally stable state.  Didn't look for zombies though - I use
> junkbuster and it always keeps a few zombies around because the main
> spawn loop is screwy.  (grrr).
> 
> - Mike Harding
> 
>    Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 23:58:51 +1100 (EST)
>    From: Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au>
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>    Cc: Mikhail Teterin <mi@aldan.algebra.com>
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> 
>    On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Will Andrews wrote:
> 
>    > On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 10:39:53AM -0500, Mikhail Teterin wrote:
>    > > I was running a single instance of SETI@Home, when I observed the load
>    > > of 2. I stopped seti and the load went down to one. It stays there for
>    > > about 20 hours already. The machine is idle:
> 
>    > top(1) doesn't show all stats relevant to the load average.  Check
>    > vmstat/systat/iostat/netstat/etc.
> 
>    Perhaps it is the entropy harvester reaping itself ;-).
> 
>    > Besides, the load average is a
>    > worthless metric if you ask me.
> 
>    Erm, it is a fundamental part of the scheduler.  The scheduler is b0rked,
>    but not that part of it.
> 
>    Bruce
> 
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