Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 11:08:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dan Mahoney (Gushi)" <freebsd@gushi.org> To: Peter Pentchev <roam@ringlet.net> Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Per olof Ljungmark <peo@nethead.se>, Eugene Grosbein <eugen@grosbein.net> Subject: Re: www/joomla3 port installs from GitHub, why? Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.20.1805211002470.2459@prime.gushi.org> In-Reply-To: <20180521083213.GB29870@office.storpool.com> References: <4a3253e3-50b5-8c4c-68f3-f90ce8e2257e@nethead.se> <5B01B272.5060105@grosbein.net> <FC6F394A-C8BB-4126-9D3E-BE9B50EAEA92@lerctr.org> <0586cce0-6f94-30ad-1685-263a6f74efef@nethead.se> <5B01C935.1090007@grosbein.net> <ecd200c3-2035-a983-a4dd-0cbfe1e1dc0a@nethead.se> <alpine.BSF.2.20.1805201628190.2459@prime.gushi.org> <20180521083213.GB29870@office.storpool.com>
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On Mon, 21 May 2018, Peter Pentchev wrote: > On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 04:49:34PM -0700, Dan Mahoney (Gushi) wrote: >> On Sun, 20 May 2018, Per olof Ljungmark wrote: >> >>> On 05/20/18 21:15, Eugene Grosbein wrote: >>>> 21.05.2018 2:02, Per olof Ljungmark wrote: >> >>> OK, I'll try to explain a bit more. >>> >>> Firstly, this port is PHP code and needs no compilation, so they are >>> both source files. NO_BUILD= yes >>> >>> www/wordpress is a similar port, correctly implemented in the ports >>> tree, if you install it from ports you will have identical result to >>> downloading from wordpress.org and extract it manually. >>> >>> The difference as stated above, is that the FreeBSD port includes the >>> files for *development* of Joomla, the official download has all the >>> files necessay to build a website based on Joomla. >>> >>> It may be that there are people using FreeBSD to develop Joomla, then of >>> course this port are for them, although a more proper naming would be >>> joomla3-devel or somesuch. >> >> joomla-devel would kind of imply that you're installing the "devel" version >> of it, not that it includes the devel LIBS. This seems to be a standard >> wording for ports (see locate /usr/ports/ | grep \\\-devel | grep pkg-descr >> | xargs cat ) >> >> What makes more sense to me is that the Dev files would be part of a >> non-default option -- whether that's included with the normal .tar.gz or >> requires the github copy, I can't say. >> >> I don't know if there's a *canonical* naming that universally means this is >> what '-devel' means. > > Errr, ICBW (one needs to look at the history of the port), but in > FreeBSD a -devel version of the port is usually created when somebody > wants to be able to install a version that is currently under > development and yet keep the ability for normal users to use the stable > version. In these cases, a second port is created (once upon a time > this was done by a repository copy to preserve the port's history) that > is exactly the same as the first one, and then the port maintainer > updates the second port (the -devel one) to a newer version. I feel like we're in agreement here. You install -devel if you want the "experimental" or "beta" version of a port. It's not necessarily an install of a "Dev kit". (Compare this with debian, where the -dev suffix on a package includes the .h files required to build a thing from scratch). My questions were meta to the discussion about how to fix Joomla: My question was "is this by tradition or is there a formal point here (say, in the porter's handbook) that this is the only thing -devel should be used for?" If not, are there exceptions, a case where -devel means something different? And if that's the case, should a different name be chosen? Are there any suffixes like this, which aren't necessarily flavorable, since the -devel version of a port may be significantly different from the release version. So, not like -nox11, or is -devel unique this way? Also, should -devel by default include -debug -- after all, if you're installing the beta of a software, it might be assumed you have interest in reporting issues? -Dan -- --------Dan Mahoney-------- Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC FB: fb.com/DanielMahoneyIV LI: linkedin.com/in/gushi Site: http://www.gushi.org ---------------------------
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