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Date:      Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:06:48 +0530
From:      Rahul Siddharthan <rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in>
To:        Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>
Cc:        chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: No port of Opera? (Was: ((FreeBSD : Linux) :: (OS/2 : Windows)))
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> vi and emacs both emulated the screen editors that were already
> available on some commercial systems of the day. TeX was not the
> first batch-oriented text formatting program. 

But they were *major* improvements over anything that came earlier.
TeX especially.  The commercial guys still haven't caught up with
it in many respects, it's unbelievable the sorts of fine details it
keeps track of.  Sorry, if free software is good people will
use it, and if it wipes out inferior commercial stuff, so much the
better.

> >you too, but I wonder where Knuth stole *his* ideas from....
> 
> Actually, Knuth has talked about this. See some of his papers and
> the heavily documented source code of TeX.

I haven't read everything he wrote, but I don't remember his
acknowledging any commercial programs.  Which one(s) in particular
is he indebted to?  He certainly talks a lot about the fine points
of typesetting and the historical evolution of ideas on good
typesetting and so on.

> It should. By touting GPLed software as open source, the FSF furthers
> its goal of hurting programmers -- like you and me.

I'm not a programmer.  And as a user I have benefited from it.


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