Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:42:47 -0400 From: jt <unk.nown@unix.net> To: Nenhum_de_Nos <matheus@eternamente.info> Cc: Zamri Besar <zam4ever@gmail.com>, Jeremy Chadwick <koitsu@freebsd.org>, freebsd-hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? Message-ID: <9f8af95f0807241542p1954fe67pff35966f495c9618@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6052d0c1b836ba4c65d70293dc6488e1.squirrel@cygnus.homeunix.com> References: <1216910072.2251.8.camel@jill.exit.com> <a699ffdd0807240739s60ec59a7q22cf4e53025844d6@mail.gmail.com> <20080724202140.GA2893@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <6052d0c1b836ba4c65d70293dc6488e1.squirrel@cygnus.homeunix.com>
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On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Nenhum_de_Nos <matheus@eternamente.info> wrote: > > On Thu, July 24, 2008 17:21, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:39:22PM +0800, Zamri Besar wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Frank Mayhar <frank@exit.com> wrote: > >> > >> > My old Dell Inspiron 5160 has developed problems that I can't fix, > >> sigh, > >> > so it's time to replace it. I'm hoping for some good suggestions from > >> > this list (cc'd to hackers for the exposure, I know everyone doesn't > >> > read -mobile). > >> > > >> > My criteria: > >> > * 3D acceleration. > >> > * MiniPCI wireless (don't care which card, I'll replace it > >> > anyway). > >> > * At least 15" screen. > >> > * Decent power consumption. > >> > * Plays well with FreeBSD 7-stable. > >> > > >> > Nice to have: > >> > * Dual core. > >> > * >4GB memory. > >> > * Working suspend/hibernate mode (and no, I'm not holding my > >> > breath). > >> > > >> > So, suggestions? BTW, if I get a decent response I'll summarize it > >> for > >> > the list, along with the one I chose and my experience after > >> > ordering/installing it. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> If cost is not a big problem, then IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad Series (I prefer > >> T-series) is the best from my past experiences. And you may check > >> following > >> articles for further tips/advices: > >> > >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/laptop/index.html > >> http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ > >> http://tuxmobil.org/mobile_bsd.html > >> > >> and off-course, freebsd-mobile archive: > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > > > > And if you go with Lenovo, be aware that their T60/T60p/T61/T61p series > > (and possibly the X-series) are known to sport very high temperatures. > > Some people have reported temperatures of nearly 90C on their GPU (when > > idling), which has a direct effect on the overall temperature of the CPU > > (due to close proximity) and so on. This requires the fan to be on at > > almost all times (usually low-speed mode). Others have it worse (the > > laptop literally shutting off in the middle of operation): > > > > > http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/stable/2008-06/msg00020.html > > > > Many of these laptops emit a strange high-pitch electrical noise which > > fluxuates in frequency and amplitude; of course, a lot of people can't > > hear it, which is good for them. This was tracked down to some power > > saving features listed in the BIOS (of both the CPU and the chipset), > > which you can disable: > > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_high_pitch_noises > > > > Be sure to look at http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T60p, > > specifically the very bottom of the page. You'll notice a very large > > number of problem entries. A lot of them have no real response from > > Lenovo. > > > > Draw your own conclusions. > > > > -- > > | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | > > | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | > > | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | > > | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > > My Asus F3T behaves very alike. The GPU gets too much hot and then > everything else suffers. Although I never saw any temperature based forced > shutdown, I can't say its impossible. Well, I read in the net that Turions > are really much hotter, but when running windows and some linux it is not > that hot. > > apart from this, and the last year harddisk load_cycle-will-kill-your-hd > bug, everything but the sound volume works fine. Atheros wifi is ok, nfe > based ethernet is ok, just never had any device to test bluetooth. the > nVidia vga also runs fine. > > matheus > > > -- > We will call you cygnus, > The God of balance you shall be > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > all, I'm currently running a lenovo x61 tablet without much complaint -- i *do* notice that it gets hot from time to time -- its much better if its run on desk rather than a lap ;p -- ACPI is still a little shaky -- if you plan on getting a iwi miniPCI -- namely 4965 and the like there IS a driver for it and it currently is in -CURRENT -- you can also patch this to 7.0 with the perforce code -- both of those should be readily available on the freebsd page wiki -- i would recommend tracking current if i were on a laptop since more things are getting merged in the development and i find freebsd moving towards a more mobile and desktop world even though we are still focused on servers -- i expect you will not get sleep working since its easier i find for it to sleep than wake up -- thinkpads seem to work well and in my experience i find more and more programmers and open source oriented people getting them -- the nature of the projects sort of make people write code and drivers for the hardware that they have instead of just randomly supporting other machines -- subscribing to the acpi list might not be a bad idea -- i would poke them as well for a few hints if suspend is a huge deal for you -- hope this helps a bit respectfully -- jt
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