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Date:      Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:48:09 -0800
From:      "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com>
To:        "Sheldon Hearn" <sheldonh@starjuice.net>
Cc:        <gnb@itga.com.au>, <freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   RE: kern/33637: Panic: vm_page_unwire: invalid wire count: 0 
Message-ID:  <001201c19ac8$21a6c9c0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com>
In-Reply-To: <50071.1010749252@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za>

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sheldon Hearn [mailto:sheldonh@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za]On Behalf
>Of Sheldon Hearn
>Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 3:41 AM
>To: Ted Mittelstaedt
>Cc: gnb@itga.com.au; freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG
>Subject: Re: kern/33637: Panic: vm_page_unwire: invalid wire count: 0
>
>
>
>
>On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:33:01 PST, "Ted Mittelstaedt" wrote:
>
>> But these sorts of bug reports are worthless to the FreeBSD team if
>> the submitter is going to jump to conclusions that it's an OS bug and
>> not even _try_ pursuing the possibility that it's an application bug.
>
>This is the only part of this thread that I'd like to comment on. :-)
>
>I don't agree with your statement above.  While the originator's problem
>might be most quickly resolved by first checking for an application
>bug, the report is not worthless to the FreeBSD project, because it
>demonstrates a somewhat reproducible kernel panic.
>

Sheldon, your right I was out of line saying that.  I agree absolutely
that if the submitter is willing to provide feedback and test patches
that it's not worthless to the FreeBSD project.  Of course there's no
guarentee here that fixing FreeBSD will fix the submitters problem, but
there's a chance.

It is true that I was being unfair
in assuming that this particular submitter on this PR is not going to follow
up
without giving him time to do so.

>
>I don't expect to change your mind, since you've been arguing your point
>quite strongly, but I would like for the mailing list archives to show
>that your opinion on the matter is not representative of the entire
>project's mindshare. :-)
>

The main point I was arguing strongly was that the submitter is wrong to
assume that the problem is not a result of an application bug in the absense
of further test data, and particularly that if he goes to Diablo first that
he will get it fixed faster.  I presume that he wants Diablo running on
his system, of course.

But if the submitter is willing to test various things
then your right - FreeBSD wants his report, whether it contains wrong
assumptions
or not.

Ted


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