Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 01:14:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jan B. Koum " <jkb@best.com> To: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> Cc: Chris Coleman <chris@bb.cc.wa.us>, Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Advocates, speak up! (re: just something to say) Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.980704011345.2914A-100000@shell6.ba.best.com> In-Reply-To: <19980704172945.J358@freebie.lemis.com>
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On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: >On Saturday, 4 July 1998 at 0:38:57 -0700, Jan B. Koum wrote: >> >> Not according to the mail we got: (why would someone lie anyway?) > >OK, I give up. To what part of the text below are you referring? Here: ==== > On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Chris Coleman wrote: > >> Those are soon to be FreeBSD, but they run Apache. :-) ==== But we already figured it all out. Sorry :) -- Yan > >Greg > >> Begin quoting ========== >> >> >>> From jb@www4.nugate.com Sat Jul 4 00:36:58 1998 >> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:08:42 -0700 >> From: Jordan Blum <jb@www4.nugate.com> >> To: www@FreeBSD.ORG >> Subject: Official Movie Sites Using FreeBSD and Apache >> >> Hello: >> >> We are a local ISP located in Hollywood, CA. We currently host *all* of >> Twentieth Century Fox's official movie sites using the Apache server. Our >> most recent launch was the official X-Files movie site which is racking up >> more than 3 million hits and over 50MB of data transfer per day. Pretty >> amazing for free software:-) >> >> Thanks for all of the awesome work. >> >> Here is a short list of sites: >> >> xfilesmovie.com >> alien-resurrection.com >> anya.com >> bulworth.com >> drdolittle.com >> volcano.com >> foxmovies.com >> etc. >> etc. >> >> >> Jordan Blum >> Global Internet Solutions >> http://www.gisolutions.com >> PH 213.993.3700 Ext. 24 >> FAX 213.993.3738 >> >> End quoting ========= >> >> -- Yan >> >> Jan Koum jkb@best.com | "Turn up the lights; I don't want >> www.FreeBSD.org -- The Power to Serve | to go home in the dark." >> ---------------------------------------+----------------------------------- >> ICMP: What happens when you hack into a military network and they catch you. >> >> On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Chris Coleman wrote: >> >>> Those are soon to be FreeBSD, but they run Apache. :-) >>> >>> Christopher J. Coleman (whyareyou@lookingforme.com) >>> Computer Support Analyst I (509)-762-6341 >>> FreeBSD Book Project: http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ >>> >>> On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Jan B. Koum wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> And also >>>> >>>> xfilesmovie.com >>>> alien-resurrection.com >>>> anya.com >>>> bulworth.com >>>> drdolittle.com >>>> volcano.com >>>> foxmovies.com >>>> >>>> -- Yan >>>> >>>> Jan Koum jkb@best.com | "Turn up the lights; I don't want >>>> www.FreeBSD.org -- The Power to Serve | to go home in the dark." >>>> ---------------------------------------+----------------------------------- >>>> ICMP: What happens when you hack into a military network and they catch you. >>>> >>>> On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Chris Coleman wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> FreeBSD in Hollywood >>>>> Check out these FreeBSD/Apache run web sites: >>>>> www.volcano.com www.romeoandjuliet.com www.speed2-cruisecontrol.com >>>>> These are run by www.gisolutions.com >>>>> >>>>> Christopher J. Coleman (whyareyou@lookingforme.com) >>>>> Computer Support Analyst I (509)-762-6341 >>>>> FreeBSD Book Project: http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Jan B. Koum wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Here is my list of companies which would appeal to suit wearing >>>>>> droids. Lets add to it and make it biger: >>>>>> >>>>>> www.yahoo.com >>>>>> www.hotmail.com >>>>>> www.ebay.com >>>>>> www.best.com >>>>>> www.whistle.com >>>>>> www.pluris.com >>>>>> www.linkexchange.com >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have a 4 cpu PPro SMP machine with 1Gig of RAM sittig on >>>>>> the T3 serving a lot of traffic it won't make it on the list. We need >>>>>> companies which actually make money.. and A LOT of money (Yahoo, best, >>>>>> etc) from using FreeBSD. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Yan >>>>>> >>>>>> Jan Koum jkb@best.com | "Turn up the lights; I don't want >>>>>> www.FreeBSD.org -- The Power to Serve | to go home in the dark." >>>>>> ---------------------------------------+----------------------------------- >>>>>> ICMP: What happens when you hack into a military network and they catch you. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Wes Peters wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> My hidden microphone recorded Jan B. Koum (jkb@best.com) saying: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I just wanted to say something here since this list has been quite >>>>>>>> lately. Basically, many of you already know this, but anyway. >>>>>>>> Whenever I have to convince someone who is not very technical why >>>>>>>> they should use FreeBSD, I usually try not to bore them with how great our >>>>>>>> vm is, or why is it better to have centralized and hence better controlled >>>>>>>> code. I usually tell people something like this: >>>>>>>> "Look, here is an example: yahoo. Their stock is skyrocketing and >>>>>>>> they are doing excellent. Yes, they are using FreeBSD. They have in house >>>>>>>> support for it, but still, they must know what they are doing - their >>>>>>>> whole operation is FreeBSD based. Another example is Hotmail. Even though >>>>>>>> they got bought by MS, they are still using FreeBSD on the front end to >>>>>>>> run their servers since NT couldn't' handle the load. Want another >>>>>>>> example? Take a look at Best Internet -- they jut filed for IPO". >>>>>>>> Something in the lines of the above paragraph usually gets a >>>>>>>> message through to the suits that to have successful company you don't >>>>>>>> need NT or Solaris. You just need to have people with a clue. But that is >>>>>>>> another subject. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Frank Pawlak called me yesterday to chat about what is happening, and >>>>>>> what isn't, in FreeBSD-Advocacy. As we talked, we decided success >>>>>>> stories like the above are *exactly* what we need to convince business >>>>>>> people (i.e. "suits") that FreeBSD is a suitable choice for *their* >>>>>>> business. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Managers may not be the smartest people in the world -- if they were, >>>>>>> they'd be kernel VM developers -- but they are extremely risk averse. >>>>>>> In other words, they don't want to stick their necks out.. In order >>>>>>> for them to say yes to using FreeBSD, they want to see two things: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) A business case. How will using FreeBSD improve their bottom line, >>>>>>> versus say NT or Linux on a server, or Linux, VxWorks, QNX, LynxOS, >>>>>>> etc. in an embedded system? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2) A success story (or 20). They want to make sure they're NOT breaking >>>>>>> new ground; that is "risk taking," which is severely punished in most >>>>>>> (US, at least) companies. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Frank and I agreed that an outline for a prototypical success story would >>>>>>> be helpful to this group, and an EXAMPLE success story would be even more >>>>>>> helpful. Since I volunteered to write one a while ago, he *encouraged* >>>>>>> me to get on with it. ;^) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'll be doing that this weekend, as long as my life doesn't intrude. >>>>>>> (See below). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please, folks, if you have any contributions to make in this discussion, >>>>>>> hop in now. Take the initiative like Frank did - find another Advocate, >>>>>>> or someone who should be an Advocate, call him or her on the phone, send >>>>>>> direct email. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anyway, happy 4th to those who celebrate (I don't, I just enjoy >>>>>>>> the day off) and lets make some noise on this list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *I* spent the afternoon riding a steam train with my family, including my >>>>>>> two-year-old daughter, who walked up and down the train several times going "choo >>>>>>> choo choo." She charmed the other passengers nearly as much as she charmed >>>>>>> me; they would make whistle sounds "woo woo" as we passed. We also got to >>>>>>> meet Karl Malone, of the Utah Jazz NBA (pro basketball) team; he had rented >>>>>>> the caboose for a family outing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We learned a bit of American history, too: the rail route for this train, >>>>>>> through Provo Canyon in north-central Utah, was first surveyed by the US Army >>>>>>> Corps of Engineers as a possible route for the transcontinental railroad in >>>>>>> 1839, by a young engineering officer named Jefferson Davis. Mr. Davis was >>>>>>> later the first (and only) president of the Confederate States of America, >>>>>>> near whose capitol I was born, as was my father and older brother. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Happy Birthday, America! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wes Peters Softweyr LLC >>>>>>> http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>>>>> with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > >-- >See complete headers for address and phone numbers >finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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