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Date:      Wed, 21 Jun 2017 09:20:01 +0200
From:      Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Michael Gmelin <freebsd@grem.de>, Jeremie Le Hen <jlh@freebsd.org>, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: rtools were deemed almost unused 15 years ago...
Message-ID:  <20170621072001.v6xhzxh2oc7fvn74@ivaldir.net>
In-Reply-To: <20170620171744.GA72667@ymer.vnode.se>
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On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 07:17:44PM +0200, Joel Dahl wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 03:59:54PM +0200, Michael Gmelin wrote:
> >=20
> >=20
> > On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 13:11:37 +0200
> > Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org> wrote:
> >=20
> > > On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 12:25:46PM +0200, Jeremie Le Hen wrote:
> > > > Hey folks,
> > > >=20
> > > > I remember when I was still barely out of my teenagehood, people
> > > > were mostly using ssh/scp while rtools (rsh, rlogin, ... for the
> > > > youngsters) were left in place as a courtesy for legacy production
> > > > systems still relying it on them.
> > > >=20
> > > > Fast forward to 2017 (so yes, 15 years later), stack-clash [1]
> > > > sorely reminds us that suid binaries are an attack surface. I don't
> > > > even need to mention that it's a healthy engineering practice to
> > > > remove unused code, both from a maintenance and security
> > > > perspective.
> > > >=20
> > > > Therefore, I hereby propose to remove rtools from the base system.
> > > > I acknowledge this will likely cause troubles for a handful of
> > > > people who are still relying on it for good or bad reasons. But the
> > > > flipside is that the attack surface of millions of FreeBSD
> > > > installed out there will be reduced.
> > > >=20
> > > > The proposed roadmap is:
> > > > - disable from the build on head and let it soak for one month
> > > > - remove rtools from the base.
> > > >=20
> > > > What do you guys think?  Any preferred color for the bikeshed? :)
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > [1] https://www.qualys.com/2017/06/19/stack-clash/stack-clash.txt =
=20
> > >=20
> > > Yeah!
> > >=20
> > > Is telnetd part of your list?
> >=20
> > As long as the telnet(1) client stays in I'm all for it.
>=20
> +1. Please keep the telnet client. It's something I expect be part of the=
 base
> system utilities. I use it all the time.

Hence why I only said I telnet*d* not telnet :)

Bapt

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