Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 09:20:01 +0200 From: Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org> To: Michael Gmelin <freebsd@grem.de>, Jeremie Le Hen <jlh@freebsd.org>, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rtools were deemed almost unused 15 years ago... Message-ID: <20170621072001.v6xhzxh2oc7fvn74@ivaldir.net> In-Reply-To: <20170620171744.GA72667@ymer.vnode.se> References: <CAGSa5y3kVajpSSJUT9Vt0-dTwtaXMwNWvv_ELH14z68osM0UYA@mail.gmail.com> <20170620111136.fz5ovfa4imm3p4hj@ivaldir.net> <20170620155954.150dedc5@bsd64.grem.de> <20170620171744.GA72667@ymer.vnode.se>
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--y67gibllf4s6qugf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 07:17:44PM +0200, Joel Dahl wrote: > On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 03:59:54PM +0200, Michael Gmelin wrote: > >=20 > >=20 > > On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 13:11:37 +0200 > > Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org> wrote: > >=20 > > > On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 12:25:46PM +0200, Jeremie Le Hen wrote: > > > > Hey folks, > > > >=20 > > > > I remember when I was still barely out of my teenagehood, people > > > > were mostly using ssh/scp while rtools (rsh, rlogin, ... for the > > > > youngsters) were left in place as a courtesy for legacy production > > > > systems still relying it on them. > > > >=20 > > > > Fast forward to 2017 (so yes, 15 years later), stack-clash [1] > > > > sorely reminds us that suid binaries are an attack surface. I don't > > > > even need to mention that it's a healthy engineering practice to > > > > remove unused code, both from a maintenance and security > > > > perspective. > > > >=20 > > > > Therefore, I hereby propose to remove rtools from the base system. > > > > I acknowledge this will likely cause troubles for a handful of > > > > people who are still relying on it for good or bad reasons. But the > > > > flipside is that the attack surface of millions of FreeBSD > > > > installed out there will be reduced. > > > >=20 > > > > The proposed roadmap is: > > > > - disable from the build on head and let it soak for one month > > > > - remove rtools from the base. > > > >=20 > > > > What do you guys think? Any preferred color for the bikeshed? :) > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > [1] https://www.qualys.com/2017/06/19/stack-clash/stack-clash.txt = =20 > > >=20 > > > Yeah! > > >=20 > > > Is telnetd part of your list? > >=20 > > As long as the telnet(1) client stays in I'm all for it. >=20 > +1. Please keep the telnet client. It's something I expect be part of the= base > system utilities. I use it all the time. Hence why I only said I telnet*d* not telnet :) Bapt --y67gibllf4s6qugf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEgOTj3suS2urGXVU3Y4mL3PG3PloFAllKHhIACgkQY4mL3PG3 PlpRHxAA406MJUl0S27GjVhdd3TUQkCAaQz1o4ASJgIrppIq+2qwfJjx6TMzVElR 42x2Oo3vldl1jYWu7qzYNtNyfVe3dO1Dx+9ioFXugduNIuGp+iIqOcyLUjXqoInF Rbl1zP/07kaDtnZho0TpvX1NF05a+Rb6KdMHrQNJsEy9CwjtnFK4tDG/D+cMpFih MToY1ugzzyZVv4l4qF8Mug+TR1GDoOyqgbgsBU17pANwu/TBdDwYR6JVhshM5JQY dw9gLIDyxGKOn/77cRdiI6MwtS51pTeW8xQeRfkS5lCWExEGKfZo1Wae/L4IRXTe aK4FppYnhUjTHyHZC4cADm/uSiFvqdUS2iQOiNUWxYLO3p/d2S/KcZptmaFy3zKK iUUuITwej48KNT0pitcnhfT8/ntwMRHEjim0ZFt+eQDL7GKW1jObwXXyXW3Q+75O DvSd0fBjO47a0GOcvKoXQuuqSDx849JfYwK82vymWc9Ref4RYbnD0uKe6vEy8xcc O/Kcua/Ag3eLYE2HCH9wuIks7e9TIZyvv2rGSxfziK5S7rEDQSp7Gl/YQXBe3cKq HWLJ5YVVw2pYHHBJdhuKwMdQD89UVXSrkxDJoRWiTmIqICqdrlqzP/YT9Atl/rT+ Sj9imrJAJ8ckjTqbLYKDEgRH6qCDtZ6zBwTBMckCp0dSEzyrfWM= =nZY7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --y67gibllf4s6qugf--
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