Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:05:32 +0000 From: Paul Richards <paul@originative.co.uk> To: Jordan Hubbard <jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Cc: kris@obsecurity.org, obrien@FreeBSD.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet ip_output.c Message-ID: <3AAEB5CC.640D6CAA@originative.co.uk> References: <3AAEA0B6.669CB86C@originative.co.uk> <20010313143849.A19262@mollari.cthul.hu> <3AAEA597.81830243@originative.co.uk> <20010313155059P.jkh@osd.bsdi.com>
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Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > > So to use the ports system you must upgrade your system every three > > months? That's just ridiculous, nobody in the "real world" upgrades > > their systems that often, including the project itself. > > That's hardly the case. To use the ports system as a user who doesn't > want to upgrade things, you need to simply LEAVE IT ALONE. Don't run > cvsup, don't use CTM, no-touchie ports tree! but what about the sysadmin who has to support a real world environment where a product needs to be upgraded to fix a bug, a typical, real world application like say the web server, or database. Hypthetically, I've got this perfectly stable OS that's not caused me a problem in 12 months of use but because I need to upgrade Apache I also have to upgrade the base OS, taking the machine offline probably since it's running at a high security level, in all likelyhood making the journey to the data centre where it's co-located to do this work. All this headache just to upgrade an application? No sysadmin in their right mind would go for an OS that requires the box to be upgraded in order to support the applications that they want to run. You choose your OS to give you a stable bedrock to do your work on, you wouldn't give it a second look if some of it's key features require regular system upgrades. Not so hypothetically, I had this 4.0 web server that needed an amanda client installed on it but that required the latest ports version. It seemed to me to be a flaw in the way we are doing things that that wasn't a no brainer of a sysadmin job but instead required some jumping through hoops. I really didn't expect such vehement defense of the current environment for pointing out what seems like a significant flaw. Paul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message
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