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Date:      Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:27:05 +0000 (GMT)
From:      Robert Watson <rwatson@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Maxim Sobolev <sobomax@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        Frank Behrens <frank@ilse.behrens.de>, Jeff Roberson <jeff@FreeBSD.org>, "current@freebsd.org" <current@FreeBSD.org>, stable@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: The machdep.hyperthreading_allowed & ULE weirdness in 7.1
Message-ID:  <alpine.BSF.2.00.0902232026180.92010@fledge.watson.org>
In-Reply-To: <49A30456.5010400@FreeBSD.org>
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Maxim Sobolev wrote:

>>> Unfortunately access to BIOS is not always an option and also some BIOSes 
>>> don't even provide a feature to turn HTT off.
>> 
>> It's not quite that simple -- in a world of device drivers pinning threads 
>> to CPUs for workload distribution, callout threads and 
>> sched_bind()/sched_pin() for crypto load distribution, etc, you need a 
>> whole infrastructure for software-disabled CPUs.  Disabling it using the 
>> BIOS or device.hints is the only reliable way to do this right now. 
>> Changing the architecture of the kernel to disable CPU cores after boot is 
>> a significant investment of work, and as I mentioned elsewhere, it is 
>> disable to do this so that we can support dynamic reconfiguration in the 
>> presence of a hypervisor, but it's highly non-trivial.  There may be some 
>> shortcuts that can be taken for policy reasons in the probing of CPUs when 
>> the topology is detected that avoid the full dynamic solution having to be 
>> done in the short-term, that in effect are a short-hand for device.hints 
>> entries, but I don't know to what extent the CPU topology from ACPI is 
>> available at the point where we'd need to know that.
>
> So, are you suggesting that we should disable machdep.hyperthreading_allowed 
> with ULE in 7.x and current to avoid confusion?

Possibly even without ULE.

Robert N M Watson
Computer Laboratory
University of Cambridge



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