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Date:      Mon, 17 Nov 2014 09:47:52 -0800
From:      Alfred Perlstein <alfred@freebsd.org>
To:        Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>, Craig Rodrigues <rodrigc@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        FreeBSD Net <freebsd-net@freebsd.org>, "freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org" <freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org>, freebsd-arch <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: RFC: Enabling VIMAGE in GENERIC
Message-ID:  <546A34C8.6060004@freebsd.org>
In-Reply-To: <1423616F-F44D-47E5-8595-DE862DC04464@bsdimp.com>
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On 11/17/14, 3:02 AM, Warner Losh wrote:
> On Nov 17, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Craig Rodrigues <rodrigc@FreeBSD.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> PROPOSAL
>> ==========
>> I would like to get feedback on the following proposal.
>> In the head branch (CURRENT), I would like to enable
>> VIMAGE with this commit:
>>
>>
>> PATCH
>> ======
>>
>> Index: sys/conf/NOTES
>> ===================================================================
>> --- sys/conf/NOTES      (revision 274300)
>> +++ sys/conf/NOTES      (working copy)
>> @@ -784,8 +784,8 @@
>> device         mn      # Munich32x/Falc54 Nx64kbit/sec cards.
>>
>> # Network stack virtualization.
>> -#options       VIMAGE
>> -#options       VNET_DEBUG      # debug for VIMAGE
>> +options        VIMAGE
>> +options        VNET_DEBUG      # debug for VIMAGE
>>
>> #
>> # Network interfaces:
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like to enable VIMAGE for the following reasons:
>>
>> REASONS
>> ========
>>
>> (1)  VIMAGE cannot be enabled off to the side in a separate library or
>>        kernel module.  When enabled, it is a kernel ABI incompatible change.
>>        This has impact on 3rd party code such as the kernel modules
>>        which come with VirtualBox.
>>        So the time to do it in CURRENT is now, otherwise we can't consider
>>        doing it until FreeBSD-12 timeframe, which is quite a while away.
>>
>> (2)  VIMAGE is used in some  3rd party products, such as FreeNAS.
>>        These 3rd party products are mostly happy with VIMAGE,
>>        but sometimes they encounter problems, and FreeBSD doesn't
>>        see these problems because it is disabled by default.
>>
>> (3)  Most of the major subsystems like ipfw and pf have been fixed for
>> VIMAGE, and the only
>>        way to shake out the last few issues is to make it the default and
>>        get feedback from the community.  ipfilter still needs to be
>> VIMAGE-ified.
>>
>>
>> (4)  Not everyone uses bhyve.  FreeBSD jails are an excellent virtualization
>>        platform for FreeBSD.  Jails are still very popular and
>>        performant.  VIMAGE makes jails even better by allowing per-jail
>>        network stacks.
>>
>> (5)  Olivier Cochard-Labbe has provided good network performance results
>>        in VIMAGE vs. non-VIMAGE kernels:
>>
>>
>> https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-net/2014-October/040091.html
>>
>> (6)  Certain people like Vitaly "wishmaster" <artemrts@ukr.net> have been
>>       running VIMAGE
>>       jails in a production environment for quite a while, and would like
>> to see it
>>       be the default.
>>
>>
>> ACTION PLAN
>> ===========
>>
>> (1)  Coordinate/communicate with portmgr, since this has kernel ABI
>> implications
>>
>> (2)  Work with clusteradm@, and try to get a test instance of one of the
>>        PF firewalls in the cluster working with a VIMAGE enabled kernel.
>>
>> (3)   Take a pass through http://wiki.freebsd.org/VIMAGE/TODO
>>         and
>> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=vimage%20or%20vnet
>>          and try to clean things up.  Get help from net@ developers to do
>> this.
> And if these don’t get cleaned up?
If they are not cleaned/stable up by 11-RELEASE then we turn it off.  
That is simple.

>
>> (4)   Take a pass on trying to VIMAGE-ify ipfilter.  I'll need help from
>>         the ipfilter maintainers for this and some net@ developers.
> And if this doesn’t happen?

Well we do have 2 other firewalls in the kernel to pick, but we do need 
VIMAGE so I will let you draw your own conclusions.

-Alfred




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