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Date:      Thu, 18 May 2017 23:29:11 +0200
From:      Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@freebsd.org>
To:        Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org>
Cc:        John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>, rgrimes@freebsd.org, Ngie Cooper <ngie@freebsd.org>, svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r318441 - in head/etc: . cron.d
Message-ID:  <20170518212911.mstgmzbydsv7oind@ivaldir.net>
In-Reply-To: <1495142869.89384.18.camel@freebsd.org>
References:  <201705180625.v4I6Pd9j062495@repo.freebsd.org> <201705180956.v4I9uVpQ065465@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> <20170518130932.eo5clhki4za2vigz@ivaldir.net> <2201156.H7EQSgYph9@ralph.baldwin.cx> <20170518212429.rugl6vnv5d2b2hpb@ivaldir.net> <1495142869.89384.18.camel@freebsd.org>

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On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 03:27:49PM -0600, Ian Lepore wrote:
> On Thu, 2017-05-18 at 23:24 +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> > On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 09:48:25AM -0700, John Baldwin wrote:
> > >=20
> > > On Thursday, May 18, 2017 03:09:32 PM Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> > > >=20
> > > > On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 02:56:31AM -0700, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
> > > > >=20
> > > > > >=20
> > > > > >=20
> > > > [...]
> > > The support for broken out files has long been there, but the base
> > > system has
> > > not used them previously for default config shipped during a
> > > release.=A0=A0That
> > > is in fact a new trend.
> > >=20
> > > However, the current approach seems to be the absolute worst way to
> > > do this.
> > > If someone wants to use the existing base system image and modify
> > > it with
> > > config management, they now have to use a mix of styles (for some
> > > services
> > > edit a global config file for certain settings, but use a dedicated
> > > file for
> > > other settings for the same service, or for the same settings but a
> > > different
> > > service).=A0=A0It's also the worst case for humans trying to work with
> > > our system
> > > as the division between which services are broken out vs global is
> > > inconsistent and arbitrary.
> > >=20
> > > Once you split up the files you make a merge conflict for anyone
> > > trying to do
> > > an upgrade.=A0=A0If we do this piecemail then we create N merge
> > > conflicts for users
> > > to deal with as opposed to if you split it up all at once.
> > >=20
> > > Also, there wasn't a clear consensus (a mail to arch@ with "hey, we
> > > should
> > > switch to splitting up config files for reasons A and B and let's
> > > do this for
> > > 12.0 but not merge to stable so there is a clear flag day / sign
> > > post for users
> > > to manage upgrades".=A0=A0Instead there have been a couple of commits
> > > and any
> > > not-in-100%-agreement opinions are ignored.
> > >=20
> > That's true, another thing is the way it is done, there is no simple
> > way to
> > disable the at cron from an admin point of view=A0=A0rather than rm
> > /etc/cron.d/at
> > for an end user which an upgrade will bring back.
> >=20
> > Bapt
>=20
> Would you not just comment out or delete the line, exactly as you would
> do in the main /etc/crontab?

Right but with a .d directory I would expect to just remove/add files/symli=
nks
rather than editing it, which defeat the point of the .d

Bapt

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