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Date:      21 Jul 2002 13:50:22 -0700
From:      Joe Kelsey <joe@zircon.seattle.wa.us>
To:        sroberts@dsl.pipex.com
Cc:        Kevin Golding <kevin@caomhin.demon.co.uk>, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-gnome@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: Installing gnome2  with XFree86-4 - Why is this so difficilt?????
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On Sun, 2002-07-21 at 12:38, sroberts@dsl.pipex.com wrote:
> 
> I'll answer for each point here, if its okay:
> 
> > Step 0.  cvsup your ports tree.
> Ports tree already cvsup'd (three times since yesterday morning)
> 
> > Step 0.5  Install portupgrade from /usr/ports/portupgrade.  Learn how to
> > properly use the new tools, especially the -R and -r flags to
> > portinstall/portupgrade.
> Portupgrade is already installed ( and I can't upgrade something that isn't 
> already installed, or am I wrong?)
> 
> I haven't tried portinstall.., how is this different to running "make && make 
> install clean in /usr/ports/x11/gnome2?

portinstall and portupgrade are virtually the same thing relative to the
install first time/upgrade already installed ports.

The important thing to remember is the -R and -r switches which
distinguish the entire portupgrade system from make install.  With the
-R switch, everything that the port depends on will be upgraded *before*
the port is upgraded.  This solves many problems with meta-ports like
gnome2.  The problem with make install in a meta-port is that the make
system is not smart enough to do the portupgrade -R function.

Embrace portupgrade and all of its attendant stuff like pkgdb,
pkg_delete, ports_glob and pkg_glob.

The make system is not good enough.  make deinstall in the make system
*will not* remove installed executables if you have already done a
cvsup!  makedeinstall fails more times than it succeeds.  pkg_delete
works off the /var/db/pkg area.  make deinstall works off the /usr/ports
area.  There is a difference.  Do not rely on make deinstall.

That is why I recommended that you read the portupgrade man page and all
related man pages in order to learn what the entire system of ruby tools
can do for you.

/Joe

 
> > portinstall -R gnome2
> Again, I've not tried portinstall for gnome2 either.
> 
> Seeing that gnome2 flaked out on the gle error, would "make distclean" be 
> sufficient for removing the bins that got downloaded for this failed install?
> 
> Thanks for the information here.
> 
> Stacey
> 
> 
> Quoting Joe Kelsey <joe@zircon.seattle.wa.us>:
> 
> > Step 0.  cvsup your ports tree.
> > 
> > Step 0.5  Install portupgrade from /usr/ports/portupgrade.  Learn how to
> > properly use the new tools, especially the -R and -r flags to
> > portinstall/portupgrade.
> > 
> > On Sun, 2002-07-21 at 12:14, sroberts@dsl.pipex.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi Kevin,
> > >    Okay.., I'm at the point of considering rebuilding the box here.
> > > 
> > > Before I do, I'd appreciate though, frank answers to two scenarios if
> > you can..,
> > > 
> > > 1] Stop the current re-install of XFree86-4 (with the constant
> > failings due to 
> > > components being already installed:-
> > > 
> > > Can I stop this re-install?
> > 
> > You can stop any re-install at any point.
> > 
> > 
> > > Is there a procedure for then ensuring that I *copmpletely* wipe all
> > instances 
> > > of XFree-<anything> from the system, before attempting installing via
> > a package?
> > 
> > pkg_delete -f 'XFree*'
> > 
> > > 2] Seeing that this whole situation is all about my initial failed
> > attempts to 
> > > install gnome2,:
> > > 
> > > After completion of the XFree86-4 install (via ports or packages),
> > should I 
> > > proceed on from the point where the gnome2 install fails (at the gle
> > error)?
> > 
> > portinstall -R gnome2
> > 
> > > If not, and I have to re-fetch fresh gnome2 sources, is there a
> > procedure for 
> > > *completely* removing ALL instances of gnome from the system?
> > > 
> > > For both scenarios above, how do I ensure that I get the latest
> > (hopefully 
> > > correct) binaries for installation?
> > > 
> > > Thanks again Kevin., Please don't think that I mean to place you in a
> > spot or 
> > > anything., you're just the *only* person that's bothered to reply to
> > my post on 
> > > this list.
> > > 
> > > Stacey
> > > 
> > > Quoting Kevin Golding <kevin@caomhin.demon.co.uk>:
> > > 
> > > > Someone, quite probably , once wrote:
> > > > >I'm actually running the re-install of XFree86-4 at the moment
> > wihtout
> > > > having 
> > > > >done a make distclean. Is this the reason why for each component,
> > it
> > > > fails 
> > > > >with "error: XFree86-4<component> already installed, perhaps an
> > older 
> > > > >version..,"?
> > > > >
> > > > >Would it be in my interest then to stop this and restart from the
> > > > beginning?
> > > > 
> > > > It sounds like everything wasn't quite removed when you deinstalled.
> > > > 
> > > > ls /var/db/pkg | grep -i xfree
> > > > 
> > > > That should show up a few things that might need removing.  Else
> > make
> > > > sure your ports tree is fully up to date and then run:
> > > > 
> > > > portversion -L =
> > > > 
> > > > That may show up a few out of date things that could be worth
> > upgrading.
> > > > 
> > > > portupgrade -rR XFree86-4
> > > > 
> > > > The above might resolve a few issues if you are out of date.  Else
> > it
> > > > might be worth thinking about packages this time: 
> > > > 
> > > > pkg_add -r XFree86-4
> > > > 
> > > > Will get the latest binary and hopefully get you back to a working
> > > > state.  Then you could probably track X using portupgrade to reduce
> > > > hassle.
> > > > 
> > > > Kevin
> > > > 
> > > > >Quoting Kevin Golding <kevin@caomhin.demon.co.uk>:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Someone, quite probably Stacey Roberts, once wrote:
> > > > >> >1] From the *one* reply I've had to my earlier post concerning
> > the
> > > > >> gnome2 
> > > > >> >install failure, it appear that I have to re-install
> > XFree86-4.2.0.
> > > > Why
> > > > >> is that 
> > > > >> >after running pkg_delete on XFree86-4.0.2, "make" doesn't go out
> > and
> > > > >> get a 
> > > > >> >fresh set of files for the re-install?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Am I missing something about the make process here? Presumably
> > there
> > > > >> was 
> > > > >> >something wrong with the XFree86-4 sources I got yesterday when
> > I
> > > > >> installed it, 
> > > > >> >so I would have thought it logical that I should be obtaining a
> > > > fresh
> > > > >> set of 
> > > > >> >source files for the new install.
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> To fetch new sources you need to remove the old ones from
> > > > >> /usr/ports/distfiles.  You can either manually rm each tarball or
> > > > just
> > > > >> run "make distclean" before "make".
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> It can also be worth running "make fetch" as your first step to
> > > > install
> > > > >> a port as that simply downloads any files you are missing for
> > that
> > > > port
> > > > >> (although not dependencies).
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> >2] To do the install of XFree86-4 anyways, what I did was
> > pkg_delete
> > > > of
> > > > >> XFree86-
> > > > >> >3 in /var/db/pkg; rm -rf /usr/X11R6/*, then editing
> > /etc/make.conf
> > > > to
> > > > >> reflect 
> > > > >> >that the XFree version is now 4
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> Since 4.6 I believe the default X has been 4 making such a config
> > > > >> redundant.  It might be worth running through
> > /etc/defaults/make.conf
> > > > >> and seeing if you need to change anything else.  If you're not
> > using
> > > > 4.6
> > > > >> then don't worry about it.
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> Kevin
> > > > >> -- 
> > > > >> kevin@caomhin.demon.co.uk
> > > > >> 
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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