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Date:      Tue, 17 Jul 2001 01:03:16 -0400
From:      "A. G. Nair" <agn_nair@yahoo.com>
To:        <questions@freebsd.org>, <mobile@freebsd.org>
Subject:   FreeBSD and OnTrack DDO
Message-ID:  <01a901c10e7d$d0703540$7ab50241@jrsycty1.nj.home.com>

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Hi,

I've sent a mail earlier with the same problem but didn't get any =
reply... So trying again with a more specific version of the problem. =
I'm trying to install FreeBSD 4.3 on my machine (laptop) which has =
OnTrack DDO(Dynamic Drive Overlay) installed on the hard drive. I tried =
all kinds of combinations at the boot prompt but it always says --
Not ufs
Not ufs
No /boot/loader


The documentation says FreeBSD is compatible with DDO, but I'm unable to =
make it work. Also in the archives I've found 2 or 3 questions regarding =
this but no answers. So I think, this has to be a bug unless someone can =
tell me otherwise.=20

My situation is as described below--

I've a new blank 20GB hard drive installed on my laptop. Since it's =
blank and there is no data, I get to re-partition, re-format and play =
around with all combinations. I'm trying to get just FreeBSD(nothing =
else is in the hard drive except DOS) work with DDO. I need DDO because =
my BIOS won't recognize beyond 8.4GB of the hard-drive (I've the latest =
version of BIOS installed). I am not going beyond the 1024th cylinder. =
The whole FreeBSD partition is well below the 1024 cylinder limit. The =
disk geometry reported by FreeBSD fdisk is same as the one reported by =
Partition Manager. So no problem there also. Or is there something else? =
I also tried Boot-Easy, OS-BS and XOSL as boot manager. No luck.

If I remove DDO and boot, FreeBSD sees the full 20GB. So ideally, I =
don't need to use DDO if I am using just FreeBSD. But unfortunately I =
also need to install Windows on the machine. So I've to find a way to =
get FreeBSD to exist with DDO and the documentation says it is =
compatible.=20

I've almost given up all hope on making this work. (I tried Red Hat =
Linux and I've to tell you, it's much worse than this. It doesn't even =
install.) Does anyone have any experience in getting FreeBSD installed =
and a working on a hard drive with DDO?? There must be someone out =
there, who has worked on this part of the installer.... Maybe He/She can =
tell why this is not a bug. Am I missing something??? Please please =
reply and let me know. Any suggestions will be a great help......

Thanks in advance,
AGNair

PS:=20
This is how FreeBSD fdisk looks

FDisk
Disk name: ad0
Disk Geometry: 2584 cyls/240 Heads/63 Heads =3D 39070080 =
Sectors(19077MB)

Offset         Size(KB)       End                 Name      PType     =
Desc            Subtype    Flags
-63              63                    62                  -             =
   6              unused          0                   =20
63               7528               15119           ad0s1       2        =
      fat                   6           =20
15120        3084480        6184079       ad0s2       3              =
freebsd          165            C
6184080    16442968    39070016      -                 6              =
unused          0


View of Ranish Partition Manager on the disk is as below:

Hard Disk 1 19077 Mbytes[2583 cylinders x 240 heads x 63 sectors ]
Using LBA

#    Type    Row    File System Type        Starting[CHS]     =
Ending[CHS]            Partition Size[KB]
0    MBR               Master Boot Record    0x0x1                    =
0x0x1                         0
1    Pri                   Unused                          0x0x2         =
          0x0x63                       31
2    Pri        1        DOS FAT-16                 0x1x1                =
    0x239x63                  7,528
3  >Pri        2        FreeBSD, BSD/386     1x0x1                    =
408x239x63              3,084,480
4    Pri                  Unused                           409x0x1       =
        2583x238x63            16,442,968

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I've sent a mail earlier&nbsp;with the same problem =
but didn't=20
get any reply... So trying again with a more&nbsp;specific version of =
the=20
problem. I'm trying to install FreeBSD 4.3 on my machine (laptop) which =
has=20
OnTrack DDO(Dynamic Drive Overlay) installed on the hard drive. I tried =
all=20
kinds of combinations at the boot prompt but it always says =
--</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Not ufs</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Not ufs</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>No /boot/loader</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The documentation says FreeBSD is compatible with =
DDO, but I'm=20
unable to make it work. Also in the archives I've found 2 or 3 questions =

regarding this but no answers. So I think, this&nbsp;has to be a bug =
unless=20
someone can tell me otherwise. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>My situation is as described below--</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I've a new blank 20GB hard drive installed on my =
laptop. Since=20
it's blank and there is no data,&nbsp;I get to re-partition, re-format =
and play=20
around with all combinations. I'm trying to get just FreeBSD(nothing =
else is in=20
the hard drive except DOS)&nbsp;work with DDO. I need DDO because my =
BIOS won't=20
recognize beyond 8.4GB&nbsp;of the hard-drive (I've the latest version =
of=20
BIOS&nbsp;installed). I am not going beyond the 1024th cylinder. The =
whole=20
FreeBSD partition is well below the 1024 cylinder limit. The disk =
geometry=20
reported by FreeBSD fdisk is same as the one reported by Partition =
Manager. So=20
no problem there also. Or is there something else? I also tried =
Boot-Easy, OS-BS=20
and XOSL as boot manager. No luck.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>If I remove DDO and boot, FreeBSD sees the full =
20GB. So=20
ideally, I don't need to use DDO if I&nbsp;am using just FreeBSD. But=20
unfortunately I also need to install Windows on the machine. So I've to =
find a=20
way to get FreeBSD to exist with DDO and the documentation says it is=20
compatible. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I've almost given up all hope on making this work. =
(I tried=20
Red Hat Linux and I've to tell you, it's much worse than this. It =
doesn't even=20
install.) Does anyone have any experience in getting FreeBSD installed =
and a=20
working on a&nbsp;hard drive&nbsp;with DDO?? There must be someone out =
there,=20
who has worked on this part of the installer.... Maybe He/She can tell =
why this=20
is not a bug. Am I missing something??? Please please reply&nbsp;and let =
me=20
know. Any suggestions&nbsp;will be a great help......</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thanks in advance,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>AGNair</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>PS: </DIV>
<DIV>This is how FreeBSD fdisk looks</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><EM>FDisk</EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM>Disk name: ad0</EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM>Disk Geometry: 2584 cyls/240 Heads/63 Heads =3D 39070080=20
Sectors(19077MB)</EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM></EM>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><EM>Offset&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Size(KB)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; End&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =

Name&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PType&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Desc&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Subtype&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Flags</EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM>-63&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
63&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;62&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;=20
-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;unused&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =

0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM>63&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;7528&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;15119&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
ad0s1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;fat&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM>15120&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
3084480&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;6184079&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
ad0s2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
freebsd&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;165&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;C</E=
M></DIV>
<DIV><EM>6184080&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 16442968&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
39070016&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;unused&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;0</EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM></EM>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><EM></EM>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>View of Ranish Partition Manager on the disk&nbsp;is as =
below:</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><EM>Hard Disk 1 19077 Mbytes[2583 cylinders x 240 heads x 63 =
sectors=20
]</EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM>Using LBA</EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM></EM>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><EM>#&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Type&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Row&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; File=20
System Type&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Starting[CHS]&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ending[CHS]&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Partition Size[KB]</EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM>0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
MBR&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Master Boot Record&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0x0x1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
0x0x1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;0</EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM>1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Pri&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Unused&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;=20
0x0x2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0x0x63&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;31</EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM>2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Pri&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
DOS=20
FAT-16&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
0x1x1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0x239x63&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;7,528</EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM>3&nbsp;&nbsp;&gt;Pri&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
FreeBSD,=20
BSD/386&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1x0x1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;408x239x63&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3,084,480</EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM>4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Pri&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Unused&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;409x0x1&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;2583x238x63&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
16,442,968</EM></DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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