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Date:      Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:50:13 +0300
From:      Jeff Laine <>
To:        Barnaby Scott <>
Subject:   Re: Wine without X
Message-ID:  <20090326225013.GA1069@free.bsd.loc>
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On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 05:12:17PM +0000, Barnaby Scott wrote:
> Bill Moran wrote:
> >In response to Barnaby Scott <>:
> >
> >>I'm sorry if I'm asking in the wrong place, but I have tried elsewhere 
> >>and go no response.
> >>
> >>I want to install wine, but without X on the system.
> >
> >Why would you expect this to be possible?  The GUI is an integral part
> >of MS Windows ... I can't imagine how wine would work at all without X
> >installed -- which is probably why you're not getting any answers.
> >
> >Perhaps you should back up and consider what you're trying to accomplish.
> >If you don't need a GUI, then what programs do you expect to run under
> >wine, and is there some better way to get them?
> >
> Thanks for your reply
> I know this is possible because I have seen discussion of it in Linux 
> and wine forums. I'm just too inexperienced to know which bits of the 
> instructions are OS-specific, and what other nightmares I might face. I 
> might be able to figure it all out by weeks of trial and error, but that 
> seems crazy if someone has been there before me!
> As for why I want it to run, that is because the application I want to 
> run is a bolt-on to a specific bit of rendering software that we use, 
> and there really is no viable non-Windows replacement in our situation - 
> believe me, if there was, I'd be using it. (In case you care, we are 
> talking about Vray for Rhino, which we use because we use Rhino, and 
> because we use Rhino we chose RhinoCAM, and because we chose RhinoCAM I 
> spent weeks writing software to make it talk to our CNC equipment, whose 
> controller is inextricably Windows-based... you get the picture!)
> In answer to the other replies (thanks to you guys too):
> Yes, wine is fine with just the command prompt. It is somewhat confusing 
> in that it offers a thing called wineconsole, but ironically that *does* 
> appear to require X. Just using wine without X is fine, so long as the 
> app does not attempt to open any sort of window, system tray etc.
> As for the 'cluttering' - I'm not so worried about disk space, that's 
> cheap these days. It's more a question of updating ports. When I once 
> made the mistake of installing X and various other things I turned out 
> not to need, the process of updating everything became a nightmare - 
> stuff breaking because I hadn't read the updating info for a bunch of 
> fonts or something stupid like that. Multiply that by 3 servers, and, 
> well, no thanks!

wineconsole app seems working fine in terminal with no X at all. 
I ran it like this: 

./wineconsole --backend=curses cmd

Best regards,

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