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Date:      Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:49:13 +0930
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        Frank Pawlak <fpawlak@execpc.com>, Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>, Pat Lynch <lynch@rush.net>
Cc:        Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, jasone@canonware.com, smoergrd@oslo.geco-prakla.slb.com
Subject:   Re: Microsoft's breaches of contract (was: FBSD license and  multiple copyright holders)
Message-ID:  <19980712124913.R23241@freebie.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <980712031453.ZM14755@darkstar.connect.com>; from Frank Pawlak on Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 03:14:53AM %2B0000
References:  <199807110349.VAA28411@lariat.lariat.org> <Pine.BSF.3.96.980711003329.1108G-100000@bytor.rush.net> <19980711142500.C23241@freebie.lemis.com> <grog@lemis.com> <980712031453.ZM14755@darkstar.connect.com>

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On Sunday, 12 July 1998 at  3:14:53 +0000, Frank Pawlak wrote:
> On Jul 11,  2:25pm, Greg Lehey wrote:
>> Subject: Re: Microsoft's breaches of contract (was: FBSD license and  mult
>> On Saturday, 11 July 1998 at  0:34:56 -0400, Pat Lynch wrote:
>>> On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Brett Glass wrote:
>>>> Interestingly, the Microsoft Windows 95 implementations of a few TCP/IP
>>>> utilities are said to have Berkeley copyright notices in the code, which
>>>> means they're probably derived from FreeBSD utilities. Is Microsoft giving
>>>> credit to the developers? If it isn't, it may be violating the
>>>> Berkeley-style license and thus could be the target of a copyright
>>>> lawsuit.
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm. Now there's an idea. Anyone care to research this?
>>>
>>> I talked to a guy from Apple, and they use alot of BSD derived code in Mac
>>> OS X Server (Rhapsody 1.0) and they said they do not have to distribute
>>> code, just include UCB's copyright notice
>>
>> That's correct.
>>
>>> and make the code available on request....
>>
>> No, there's no obligation to make the code available on request.
>>
>>> now MS *might* do this if we asked (unlikely, but hey, worth a try)
>>
>> It would certainly be worth a try.
>
> God Greg, why would you ever want Micros*@#t code?  I am sure on you worst days
> you write better code by accident than they do on purpose. ;-)

I think we're misunderstanding each other.  I was suggesting that
somebody (not me :-) should try to get Microslop to adhere to the
license conditions and declare that their software includes
Berkeley-derived programs.

Greg
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