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Date:      Wed, 16 May 2001 14:06:18 -0700
From:      David Johnson <djohnson@acuson.com>
To:        freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
Cc:        freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   ExBSD
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I'm getting too worked sup, so I'm going to summarize my "I'm leaving"
feelings...

a) Guilty as charged. I haven't using Windows in over two years. Maybe
the current Windows XP is the target we should aim FreeBSD at. I don't
know since I've never seen it. But I do know that Windows 95, Windows 98
and Windows NT all sucked. I do not want FreeBSD to suck.

b) Graphical installs. I done graphical installs for OS/2, Windows 95,
Redhat, Corel, Mandrake, Caldera and SuSE. I have done non-graphical
installs for DOS, DRDOS, GeoWorks, Debian, Slackware and FreeBSD. The
two easiest OS installations I have ever done were Slackware and
FreeBSD.

You are never going to get a graphical FreeBSD install as easy to use as
the OEM's "recovery disk" until you get the cooperation of the OEM. And
the people building their own boxes will still be screwed (just like
they're already screwed trying to install Windows on their homebuilds).

If the user is going to be intimidated by a text-based installer, then
maybe, just maybe, FreeBSD is not for them.

c) Changing FreeBSD. I may have problems with the certain things in the
current implementation of FreeBSD, but I have no problems with the
direction in which I see it going. You will NEVER be able to please
everyone. But feel free to fork off another version. That's what Mac OS
X did. That's what Corel and Storm did with Debian. That's what Mandrake
did with Redhat.

d) I once was part of a tiny group exploring the possibility of forking
off a Newbie-BSD OS. We spent a lot of time arguing over default
desktops, graphical installers, etc. But the project faded away and died
as we realized that what was really needed was more drivers, better
drivers and better hardware detection.

I never could get Corel LinuxOS to install on my system. The problem was
that it kept trying to probe my video card. But the XFree86
documentation says never to probe my video card. I'm sure that Corel
could have qualified as one of my easiest installations. Unfortunately,
it made the wrong decision between ease of use and correctness. I hear
Corel LinuxOS is all but gone now.

David

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