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Date:      Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:03:27 -0500 (EST)
From:      Steve Hovey <shovey@buffnet.net>
To:        "Daniel R.  Brownstone" <drbrowns@ls.wustl.edu>
Cc:        questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD & Windows
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSI.3.95.980326150315.2543B-100000@buffnet11.buffnet.net>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.980326132659.18811F-100000@ls.wustl.edu>

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I wonder if there is a version of NIS for NT.

On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Daniel R.  Brownstone wrote:

> 
> This is going to be a bit long, but I hope someone out there will be able
> to help.
> 
> I'm a student at WashU (wustl) law.  Because I majored in comp sci in
> undergrad, I somehow ended up getting this part time job here of being the
> "Unix Administrator."  Whatever.  It basically means I've learned FreeBSD
> on the fly while trying to go to law school.  But now it's all in danger.
> 
> Here's how our systems work around here.  We have 2 PC labs in the
> building, with a total of about 50 workstations.  (They're mostly Pentium
> 200s.)  They run Windows 95.   We need windows because students use the
> PCs to do word processing, mostly.  All of these PCs are on both our
> Microsoft Windows network, and the Novel Network.  As far as I can tell,
> the only purpose for the Novel network is that the two huge HP printers
> in the lab are on the same network.  As I said, whatever.  The faculty
> also have Win95 on the PCs in their offices, and they do a lot more with
> novel.  (they have GroupWise for their e-mail, etc.).
> 
> Every student has an e-mail account on the FreeBSD box.  Which means that
> to check their mail, they either dial in from home, or else they sit down
> at one of the PCs in our lab, and telnet in to the server from Win95.  The
> lab PCs are not password protected, and anyone in the world can use them
> as long as they're sitting in front of one.  Obviously, to telnet in to
> the FreeBSD machine, you need a login and password.
> 
> It has come to pass in recent months that many of the other schools at the
> University have implemented restrictive policies concerning their own
> computer systems.  The law school is the only school left on campus where
> someone can walk in off the street, sit down at a terminal, and work away.
> More importantly, they can print without restriction.  We spend hundreds
> of thousands of dollars every year on printing paper and supplies, and
> while a lot of it is legit, a lot of it is also people printing out ESPN
> web pages.  So, what the administration wants to do is to restrict
> printing, preferably to law students with accounts ONLY.  In addition,
> they want to put a print quota on each student, and if a student exceeds
> that quota, they will have to pay.
> 
> The way they want to do this is to switch all of the lab computers to
> Windows NT, so everyone will have to sit down and log in.  Because they
> have absolutely no faith in the competence of any of us students, they are
> adamant that everyone should have only one user id and one password.
> Their solution: get rid of FreeBSD and find some other mail solution.
> They invision Student sitting down at NT, and logging in.  Then he has to
> telnet to FreeBSD and log in again.  But if he changes his FreeBSD
> password, his NT password won't change, and he'll get really confused
> because he'll never know which password to use where, and all of our PC
> Support resources will be used up in resetting people's passwords.  The
> only solution, the Administration has determined, is to find a way to
> seamlessly integrate the password files that NT uses with the one that
> FreeBSD uses.  Failing that, FreeBSD goes and we all switch to Win NT
> and/or Novel.  Apparently there's somethin called NDS which is going to
> make everything nice and easy for us.
> 
> As you can tell, I completely disagree with all of this -- but hey, I
> graduate in a year.  In the mean time, though, I would like to come up
> with a solutiuon that will keep the FreeBSD box -- I think that having it
> as a mail and web server for the students is a great idea, everything is
> free, we benefit enormously, and we have great support on it.... switching
> to Microsoft, I think, would be a nightmare.
> 
> So does anyone have ANY ideas??????  I'm desperate here.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Danny
> 
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> Daniel R. Brownstone		   drbrowns@ls.wustl.edu
> Wash. U. School of Law '99         ICQ #191058
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