Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:39:30 -0400 From: "Jonathan Noack" <noackjr@alumni.rice.edu> To: <Stephen.Clark@seclark.us> Cc: "\[LoN\]Kamikaze" <LoN_Kamikaze@gmx.de>, Alexey Karagodov <karagodov@gmail.com>, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Disappointed Message-ID: <443598A2.5000805@alumni.rice.edu> In-Reply-To: <4435787E.70202@seclark.us> References: <20060405200341.GD14126@math.jussieu.fr> <20060405200727.GA28371@xor.obsecurity.org> <20060405201500.GE14126@math.jussieu.fr> <20060405211154.GA30089@soaustin.net> <c7aff4ef0604060458u1a019e0dna740f61e53299c25@mail.gmail.com> <44350FDF.1060206@gmx.de> <443570EE.6080703@seclark.us> <443574CD.2020405@gmx.de> <4435787E.70202@seclark.us>
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Stephen Clark wrote: > [LoN]Kamikaze wrote: >> Stephen Clark wrote: >>> [LoN]Kamikaze wrote: >>>> Alexey Karagodov wrote: >>>>> hi. >>>>> i think, this unstablity happaning just because developers trying to >>>>> make >>>>> two systems at one time, one is 6.0 and another 7.0 current and they >>>>> supporting old version, lower then 6.0 >>>>> i want to ask developers, why you developing new system, 7.0, if you >>>>> don't >>>>> finish old, 6.0 ?! >>>>> finish 6.0, make it work, and upgrade it to 7.0 and to 8.0 and to 9.0 >>>>> and so >>>>> on ... >>>>> what so new and revolutionary in 7.0 in comparison with 6.0 ?! >>>>> to use your system i must be a DEVELOPER, but i don't have so much >>>>> time! i >>>>> don't want to develope! i want to use, i want to help you with some >>>>> advise ( >>>>> e.g. what feature to add, what feature to change etc), i can and i >>>>> want to >>>>> share some of my hardware to feet your needs, make a mirror, make a >>>>> test >>>>> server/workstation/notebook/PDA etc. i'm not an freebsd developer. >>>>> i'm just >>>>> admin and a user. >>>>> your system is most greatest i ever seen. another wonderful system is >>>>> SOLARIS. >>>>> but your's is so unstable ... >>>> >>>> All this is described in many places. It all comes down to this: if you >>>> don't want to be a developer, JUST USE THE RELEASE BRANCH. That means >>>> Releng_6_0 for now. >>>> >>>> Stable only means compatible to previous versions of the same branch. >>>> Not that the system is stable. >>> >>> Who in their right mind would think that "stable" actually means >>> "stable"!!! >> >> It does mean that the API is stable. >> /\ >> || >> >> So that you can use a driver written for 6.0 on any 6.x build. And that >> you can run software compiled for 6.0 on all following versions of the >> 6.x branch without a compatibility layer. > > Then maybe it should be called api-stable!! Given how long "STABLE" has been in use, changing it would be a gross POLA violation. Actually, "POLA" illustrates my next point... :) Have you ever Googled something? Saying "Googled" is easier than saying "searched Google for". Language (especially technical language) gets shortened and simplified. These shortened forms are a part of the community's jargon (which is a synonym for "dialect" -- see where I'm going here?). Different dialects may have different meanings for a word/phrase. It is therefore VITAL to learn the meaning of a particular word/phrase in the target dialect before attempting to use it. The consequences of not doing so range from confusion and misunderstanding to outright insult. Is "STABLE" confusing to new users? Absolutely. I didn't get it at first either. Is it difficult to find The Truth? Absolutely not. Google for "freebsd stable" and the first link is the handbook's explanation. -Jonathan
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