Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:54:20 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte <wb@freebie.xs4all.nl> To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> Cc: Dominic Fandrey <kamikaze@bsdforen.de>, Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community Message-ID: <20080110135420.GA10955@freebie.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <47861705.2030609@gmail.com> References: <89916.1199966906@critter.freebsd.dk> <47861705.2030609@gmail.com>
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Quoting Aryeh M. Friedman, who wrote on Thu, Jan 10, 2008 at 08:00:53AM -0500 .. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > In message <4786058F.8080101@gmail.com>, "Aryeh M. Friedman" > > writes: > > > >>> We need more licenses like we need a 3rd or 4th leg. What is > >>> wrong with the standard BSD license please? > >> I decided to elaborate slightly on the previous reply.... > > > > I am fully with Wilko here. > > > > We don't need to change the license or use any other means to beat > > our users over the head. > > > > We need them to understand the problem, and act as intelligent > > human beings. > > > > A lot of our users do this. We have many crucial FreeBSD > > developers employed at companies which understand that developer > > support is key to FreeBSDs future. > > > > We just need more of that. > > We also need to have better avenues for people who want to contribute > but do not have the economic means to subsidize there work from some > large company, gov. agency and/or university... i.e. there is no room > for independent people to contribute on a full time basis... > > As I said in an other message this is not about saying the current has > anything wrong with it, just that it can be improved. > > Volunteer efforts are great and I fully support them (such as my work > on ports 2.0) but the larger they grow the harder it gets to do it all > volunteer (every large non-profit has paid full-time employees after > all)... to paraphrase an other organization I am involved in we should > "be completely self supporting through our own ....contributions"... > this includes more then just service it includes supporting those who > do such service... > > BTW as to the single sentence that would recitify this in the bsd > license it would be something as simple as: > > "Execution of covered work in any form may be conditioned to > payment fees (if any) and/or performing work in kind detailed at > http://......". As far as I'm concerned: if a license like that comes to core for a vote I would vote "No". This thread seems to move from the concerns our German friends have into a licensing debate. I feel it would be better if we could get back on track here. -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org
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