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Date:      Sun, 20 Jul 2014 16:18:06 -0700
From:      Doug Hardie <bc979@lafn.org>
To:        Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com>
Cc:        Andrew Berg <aberg010@my.hennepintech.edu>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Freebsd-update to 9.3 from 9.2
Message-ID:  <C2DBFFD6-303C-4D54-A850-D21C5D383F5E@lafn.org>
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.11.1407201556030.48048@wonkity.com>
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On 20 July 2014, at 15:02, Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Jul 2014, Doug Hardie wrote:
>=20
>>=20
>> On 20 July 2014, at 11:12, Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com> wrote:
>>=20
>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2014, Doug Hardie wrote:
>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> On 19 July 2014, at 05:27, Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com> wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2014, Doug Hardie wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On 18 July 2014, at 16:01, Warren Block <wblock@wonkity.com> =
wrote:
>>>>>>> It's not necessary to delete the source every time.  But =
/usr/src should be empty before the initial svn checkout, or there will =
be files in there that are unmanaged and can cause problems.  The =
Subversion instructions mention this.  (Or at least some of them do, we =
have a fair amount of similar sections in different chapters and =
sections that need to be combined.)
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> I didn't find any mention of that in the manual.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> There is one here:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> =
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/svn.html#svn-usa=
ge
>>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Yes there is, now that I understand it.  For those who know - its =
all there.  For those who don't, its not obvious.  The focus of the =
manual should be different from the man pages.
>>>=20
>>> I have reworked that warning to make it more clear.  Is there =
another place that this should be noted?
>>>=20
>>=20
>> Not that I saw.  I only saw that note and thought it didn't apply to =
me.  Wrong again?
>=20
> Is there anything else we can do to help make it more clear?  I don't =
mean to put you on the spot, just that I've found these types of =
problems often can be used to make valuable improvements in the =
documentation.  If you think of somewhere else it should be mentioned, =
or a better way to explain it, please let me or the freebsd-doc mailing =
list know.
>=20

I would appreciate either examples or instructions with examples on how =
to setup and properly update a system using svn.  Those are the most =
common things admins do if they are not involved in the development of =
FreeBSD.  There used to be some good info on that in the handbook back =
when we used cvsup.  Think more tutorial and less man page constructs.  =
If I knew enough about the process, I'd try writing it, but so far most =
of the things I have tried have not worked.  Only one of the several =
systems I have tried to update to use svn and pkg still works.






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