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Date:      Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:17:38 -0500
From:      Valeri Galtsev <galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu>
To:        Fongaboo <freebsd-questions@fongaboo.com>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: OS to replace FreeBSD
Message-ID:  <766AC454-804B-492E-B547-E2399C07D0CD@kicp.uchicago.edu>
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.20.2103202004020.43265@h4lix.wtfayla.net>
References:  <alpine.BSF.2.20.2103202004020.43265@h4lix.wtfayla.net>

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> On Mar 20, 2021, at 7:05 PM, Fongaboo <freebsd-questions@fongaboo.com> =
wrote:
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> I see there have been a ton of responses to this already. I could be =
wrong, but I'm going to assume most of it is OS-wars. I don't have time =
to pour through it all. If I'm off-base and out of context, please =
forgive me. But wanted to offer my experience:
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> After nearly two decades of self-hosting DNS/mail/web on a FreeBSD =
colo, I decided I couldn't give FreeBSD the focus and energy it needs to =
be properly maintained.
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> I've found that Debian was the most comfortable to transition to and =
is a bit more painless to keep updated and patched. I've just completed =
a Debian box running NSD, unbound, Apache, Postfix, Dovecot, =
Postfixadmin & Roundcube.

If Jerry decides to move that way, your post may help him, so thanks =
from Jerry in advance.

To balance what you said I just add my experience of opposite move: from =
Linux to FreeBSD, and my servers are happily FreeBSD for about a decade. =
And that move from Linux to FreeBSD a lot of advantages and solved quite =
a number of problems Linux was giving me. But numbercrunchers and =
workstations I maintain for the department are Linux (and some =
workstations are MacOS, andMS Windows).

The search where to flee from Linux began after switch from 2.4 to 2.6 =
kernel. Actually some time - over a year - after that, when it became =
too annoying: every 45 days on average: either glibc or kernel security =
update =3D=3D> reboot. One of my friends started using the word Lindoze =
(implying irreverent name of known commercial system requiring reboot =
after update which happens often).

Search for the system where to flee from Linux took a couple of years. =
Open solaris was considered at some point as a candidate. About a time =
when Oracle bough out Sun Microsystems. And the joke after that =
acquisition was: how do we call their system now? Well, repeat many =
times sun-oracle faster and faster, and you will get it right: snorkel.

Jokes aside: FreeBSD ended up a choice, and very sound one. It is the =
highest used of BSD descendants (I will not count here commercial ones). =
Incidentally, Microsoft was once noticed running FreeBSD on a couple of =
their servers. Reboots are rare: once or twice a year the most often. =
Jails allow easily juggle a bunch of small servers (each being a jail on =
a machine hosting 10-20 jails). Some of the servers do not even exists =
as an individual system: they are composed of several jails, each =
running one (or few inseparable) services; people can ssh to the server, =
they appear just in separate jail where no other services (except for =
sshd) run. And the list of conveniences goes on.


I hope this helps to balance Fongaboo=E2=80=99s post ;-)

Valeri

> If you want to email me directly, I documented the whole process. I'm =
willing to share my walkthroughs.
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> Fong
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> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021, Jerry wrote:
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>> With the soon-to-be release of version 13 of FreeBSD and the EOL of
>> FreeBSD 11.x, I will need to invest in a new OS. Due to FreeBSD?s
>> unfortunate inability to squash bug
>> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D237666, l am left
>> with no choice but to seek out a new OS. I need a bare-bones system
>> that can run a mail server, Postfix with Dovecot, and a few other
>> utilities.
>> --=20
>> Jerry
>>=20
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