Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:36:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Wilko Bulte <wilko@yedi.iaf.nl> To: gibbs@plutotech.com (Justin T. Gibbs) Cc: karl@denninger.net, gibbs@plutotech.com, scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Long IDE probes? Message-ID: <199809301936.VAA02620@yedi.iaf.nl> In-Reply-To: <199809301850.MAA16318@pluto.plutotech.com> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at "Sep 30, 98 12:44:13 pm"
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As Justin T. Gibbs wrote... > >> Not everyone who uses FreeBSD has "modern devices". Not everyone > >> who uses FreeBSD knows that their devices will only work with a longish > >> delay. Are you saying that we should lose the ability to install on > >> these machines simply because you, a user that knows how to modify this > >> behavior, finds the default behavior annoying? > >> > >> -- > >> Justin > > > >Justin, quit being a pompous ass and lose the attitude. Its uncalled for. > > Ahemmm. > > >You and I both know damn well that to install you need ONLY, WORST CASE: > > 1. A floppy that works (to boot from) > > 2. A CDROM > > 3. A disk > > You can also install off of tape, a CD-R that can look like a CDROM, > an Optical disk, etc. etc. Sysinstal has allowed for this for some > time. I for one once tried an install on a 5.25" MO drive. Works. But needs reasonably high timeouts. > >Kvetching about how someone's 1980's scanner or ancient tape drive won't > >come up under GENERIC on initial boot is both pointless and inappropriate, > >given that you *know* these facts to be true > > I'm talking about old CDROM drives, CD-Rs and OD disks as well as tapes. > Not everyone performs CDROM or network installs. Documentation exists > for tape installs and for people that have unconnected machines at home, > it should remain an option. Things that are not broken should be left alone. There is no reason whatsoever to assume people have PII-1Ghz, 12000 rpm 18Gb disks etc. Justin is absolutely right in having a conservative GENERIC kernel. If people are too lazy to build a custom kernel that is their fault. And theirs alone. > >If you want to make a point about ancient hardware, then explain why in the > >heck was CAM integrated without ALL the legacy SCSI devices being supported? Why this bitching attitude? If you feel CAM is not complete by all means write extensions to it. > But all legacy SCSI devices are being supported by CAM (at least that is > the intention barring bugs). We don't support legacy SCSI controllers > due to lack of time and documentation. In other words, the 3.0R > documentation will clearly state that we only support cards X, Y, and Z. > It will also say that disks, cdroms, scanners, tapes, and worm devices > are supported. The user will understand if their wd7000 controller > isn't found during install because the documentation does say that it is > supported, but they will be perplexed if their CDROM drive is not found > when attached to a supported controller. Right... Principle of least surprise etc. > > Justin Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW : http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message
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