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Date:      Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:26:29 +0000
From:      "Robert N. M. Watson" <rwatson@freebsd.org>
To:        Qing Li <qingli@freebsd.org>
Cc:        svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r205024 - head/sys/net
Message-ID:  <8726950E-5110-4FE1-90BB-B4205D637764@freebsd.org>
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On Mar 12, 2010, at 8:11 AM, Qing Li wrote:

> I like Julian's suggestion because it is simple and very low risk.
> And there isn't a need to check for interface type any more.
> Here is why:
>=20
> 1. The interfaces that are popular and modern are already supporting
>    link_state. So for these drivers, and there are just a few, I will =
go set
>    its if_flags to include "can change link_state".
>=20
> 2. For the existing dated drivers, because that flag bit is never set,
>    no check is done.
>=20
> 3. In the mean time, we try to convert the drivers progressively.
>=20
> 4. If one wants to do ECMP and not having packets go into a black
>    hole when the physical link is down, that person can ping the ML
>    and ask for driver compatibility list. If we haven't converted that
>    particular driver by then, we will update the driver if it's =
capable
>    at that time.


Today, we support three link state values:

170 /*
171  * Values for if_link_state.
172  */
173 #define LINK_STATE_UNKNOWN      0       /* link invalid/unknown */
174 #define LINK_STATE_DOWN         1       /* link is down */
175 #define LINK_STATE_UP           2       /* link is up */

I'm confused about Julian's proposal because it seems to me that we =
already know when a driver hasn't set or is unable to determine the link =
state: it will (should) be set to LINK_STATE_UNKNOWN by default.

So the only question we don't know the answer to, at run-time, is =
whether a driver may *ever* set the link state (i.e., it thinks it knows =
how to), and hence whether or not tools like dhclient should try to wait =
for that to happen. That is the problem that an interface capability =
would solve.

For the purposes of ECMP, you just need to decide on your policy: map =
UNKNOWN to either UP or DOWN for your purposes.

Robert=



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